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MOA Watershed Protection and Partnership Programs Case Study:
The Watershed MuseumIntroduction
The timeline below is a compilation of excerpts from the meeting minutes of the Shandaken Town Board and the Catskill Watershed Corporation Board of Directors as well as articles that have appeared in the Daily Freeman, Times Herald-Record and the Daily Star.February 10, 1993: Shandaken Town Board Resolution #43 (offered by Councilman Pettersson)
WHEREAS the proposed expanded presence of the City of New York in pursuit of greater control of the Catskill Watershed has important and long range economic implications for the Town of Shandaken; and
WHEREAS the Coalition of Watershed Towns was organized itself to speak for all of the Towns in the Catskill Watershed; and
WHEREAS the Water Resources Institute of Cornell University has organized an on going dialogue among the City of New York Department of Environmental Protection, the State of New York Department of Environmental Conservation; and the Coalition of Watershed Towns; and
WHEREAS the Town of Shandaken needs for its own benefit to be seen as a key presence in these various discussions and negotiations; and finally
WHEREAS Dean Gitter, a long-time resident of the Town has, as a private citizen, concerned himself for several months with these subjects, attending on a regular basis all meetings convened in the matter of the potential economic impact 0n the Catskills, and spearheading private initiatives among local leaders and county officials to understand and protect the Town's interests in these matters; therefore, the Town Board of Shandaken hereby appoints Mr. Gitter as its official representative to interface with the City of New York, the Department of Environmental Conservation of New York State; the Coalition of Watershed Towns, the Cornell Water Resources Institute, and such other public or private bodies as may be involved in the matter of water resource management and attendant subjects which may have a positive or negative impact upon the economic future of the Town. Mr. Gitter shall serve on an unsalaried basis. He shall report to the Town Board in a regular and timely manner all developments touching on the above subjects which they need to be apprised of and he shall serve at the pleasure of the Board which may cancel this arrangement at any time by sending ten days' written notice to Mr. Gitter at his residence on Lost Clove road, Big Indian, New York, 12410. Adopted by the Town Board of Shandaken at its regular public meeting on February 10, 1993
AND MOVE ITS ADOPTION.
Roll Call: 5 ayesJune 9, 1993: Shandaken Town Board Resolution #70 (offered by Councilman Millman)
WHEREAS Pursuant to Section 20 of the Town Law it is the duty of the Town Board to appoint all Boards and Commissions, and
WHEREAS at the request of resident Dean Gitter they would like to create a Route 28 Corridor Committee,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that Rick Clark, Chairman of the Town Planning Board; Dick Clark, Director of the Belleayre Ski Center; Harry Jameson, proprietor of the Town Tinker and Board member of the Catskill Mountain Railway; Rick Pettersson, Town Board member; Faye Storms, proprietor, The Blue Barn; Geddy Sveikauskas, publisher, the Woodstock Times and the Huguenot Herald; Glen Miller, Zoning Board of Appeals member; Eric Griesser, proprietor of the Alpine Inn and Dean Gitter, Developer; as Chair Person of this Committee
AND MOVE ITS ADOPTION.
Roll Call: 5 ayesOctober 13, 1993: Shandaken Town Board Resolution #133 (offered Supervisor Grant)
WHEREAS pursuant to Section 20 of the Town Law it is the duty of the Town Board to appoint all Boards and Commissions, and
WHEREAS Rick Clark is moving out of the area, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that Al Frisenda be appointed to replace Rick Clark on the Route 28 Corridor Committee
AND MOVE ITS ADOPTION.
Roll Call: 5 ayesNovember 9, 1993: Route 28 Corridor Committee Meeting
Notice: "The Route 28 Corridor Commission will hold a public meeting at 7 pm on Tuesday evening, November 9th, at the Upper Lodge of the Belleayre Ski Center. The subject of the discussions will be the economic revitalization of tourism from the Shandaken/Olive line westward to Arkville. Residents of Shandaken, Pine Hill, Fleischmanns and Middletown are encouraged to attend and to express their views and suggestions."January 12, 1994: Shandaken Town Board Resolution #39 (offered by Supervisor Grant)
WHEREAS the Route 28 Corridor Committee has requested that the Town of Shandaken join with the Town of Middletown as a joint Partnership to economically develop the Route 28 Corridor, to market Tourism and the natural resources as a gateway to the area,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Town of Shandaken agree to this Partnership
AND MOVE ITS ADOPTION.
Roll Call: 5 ayes
March 15, 1994: Route 28 Corridor Committee Meeting
March 9th Town Board minutes: "Meeting at Belleayre on March 15 with the Town of Middletown and the Town of Shandaken with the Route 28 Corridor Committee."March, 1994: Route 28 Corridor Committee Study Released
This development plan called for a resort to be developed near the Belleayre Ski Center, complementary cultural and tourist facilities for that location and the formation of a new agency, the Central Catskill Planning Alliance (CCPA), to oversee the implementation of the plan. In a letter accompanying the plan, the Committee requested the Town Boards of Shandaken and Middletown "extend the mandate of the Route 28 Corridor Committee for another four months" to oversee the formation of the CCPA. The Committee members listed in the report were Dean L. Gitter, Dick Clark, Al Frisenda, Erich Griesser, Harry Jameson, III, Don Kerr, Dennis Metnick, Rick Pettersson, Alan Rosa, Faye Storms and Geddy Sveikaukus. Full text of planApril 13, 1994: Shandaken Town Board Resolution #55 (offered by Councilman Frisenda)
WHEREAS the Town of Shandaken has joined with the Town of Middletown to form the Central Catskill Planning Alliance,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Town of Shandaken will sponsor the Central Catskill Planning Alliance with their contribution of $2,500 for the purpose of incorporating.
AND MOVES ITS ADOPTION.
Roll Call: 5 ayesAugust 10, 1994: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Mr. Dean Gitter was present from the Central Catskills Planning Alliance with a report. The Planning Alliance consists of Eric Griesser, President; Peter Monar, Vice President; Karen Harris, Treasurer; Jennifer Gould, Secretary; and other are Cindy Becker; Jean McGrane; Ken Brown; Jack Vocar; Al Frisenda. Mr. Gitter also requested the Town Board for a Resolution asking for Grant money. Ed Ocker asking about Central Catskill Alliance. Supervisor Grant answered with an explanation. Shirley Wadler stating that she is behind the alliance and believes in what they are doing, but it seems to have turned into another Zoning Board. Copy of her findings attached. Councilman Frisenda answered - that there is an agreement between the two towns and the planning alliance. The only zoning to be acted on will be the zoning already adopted by the individual towns, each town will exercise their own home rule."
Later in the meeting (from minutes): "Assessor Eric Griesser present asking for Resolution for the Central Planning Alliance. Supervisor Grant - stated that this would be the last resolution for this evening."
Resolution #99 (offered by Councilman Frisenda)
RESOLVED: That the Town Supervisor be authorized to communicate to Vincent Tese, Chairman of the Urban Development Corporation, The Shandaken Town Board's of the Central Catskill Planning Alliance's application for the Urban Development Corporation's grant assistance
AND MOVE ITS ADOPTION.
Roll Call: 4 Ayes, 1 Absent (Pettersson)September 30, 1994: Central Catskills Planning Alliance Meeting
Upper Lodge, Belleayre Ski Center at 8 PM. (This was announced by Councilman Frisenda at prior Town Board meeting, according to the minutes of that day.)December 14, 1994: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Jay Braman asked about the Central Catskills Planning Alliance report. Supervisor Grant stated that these were just suggestions to the Town Board for discussion before submitting to the Coalition as a counter offer to the city."November 9, 1995: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Councilman Frisenda then continued by discussing the Central Catskill's Planning Alliance. A few months ago the state decided they were not going to fund the Catskill interpreter center. That was a concern with the Town of Shandaken, but the funding was pulled away, and as of right now it is a "dead issue". The Planning Alliance got together, and some of the members of the Alliance are from the Catskill Center for Conservation, who owns the property where the center was suppose to be built. They leased it to the state, who then leased it to the DEC. The Planning Alliance had a meeting a couple of weeks ago and they would like to pursue the construction and completion of that project. They talked to the State of New York and they are agreeable to relinquish their involvement. They are willing to give up their lease or sublease it to an organization that will pursue the construction of a museum. The purpose would be to get a destination attraction here to get people into the area and inform them of what's going on here, and to help revitalize the economy. The people at the Catskill Center for Conservation that we talked to agreed that in concept what the Alliance is proposing is a good idea. They're going to take it back to the Board of the Catskill Center for Conservation and Development so they can become aware of exactly what the Alliance would like to do. If they agree then with the blessing of the center, who owns the property, and the blessing of the Town Board, who is looking to see this project go, the Planning Alliance will attempt to get a committee together. The committee will be appointed by the Town Board and the Catskill Center for Conservation and Development; so they can put this idea forward and try to get funding for people to come in and operate the museum. We already have a commitment from the city; they put $2 million into this agreement. One of that million if for an exhibit to be put at the center by the City of New York, placed there for educate the public about the watershed. There was then some open discussion regarding the interpreter center, specifically finances, and there was discussion about the new sewer plant project."
Note: This is the first time a museum is mentioned in Shandaken Town Board minutes.December 13, 1995: Shandaken Town Board Resolution #110 (offered by Councilman Frisenda)
WHEREAS the Town Board of Shandaken supports the efforts of the Route 28 Corridor Committee,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED That the Town Board supports the use of the former Catskill Interpretive Center site or any other suitable site in Shandaken, for a destination attraction to create jobs and stimulate economic development along the Route 28 Corridor and to educate visitors to the region and all its' human and environmental aspects, past, present and future.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the committee take all appropriate steps to bring about the accomplishment of its goal
AND MOVES ITS ADOPTION.
Roll Call: 5 ayes
Note: In March of 1994, the Route 28 Corridor Committee requested that the Town Boards of Shandaken and Middletown "extend the mandate of the Route 28 Corridor Committee for another four months" to oversee the formation of the Central Catskills Planning Alliance. Yet, twenty-one months later, the Committee was apparently still in existence and, with the Resolution #110, given authority to assume official oversight of the watershed museum proposal.May, 1996: Tourism Development Study Submitted
Prepared for the Central Catskill Planning Alliance, it states, "The idea of the Catskill Museum of the Earth is very interesting and should be developed in more detail."October 29, 1996: First Public Hearing on the Proposed Watershed Agreement
Excerpt from minutes: "Mr. Gitter asked, 'How Shandaken could sign the agreement when there were so many unanswered questions?' He also commented on the nature of this document; Dean feels this is a 'settlement of a lawsuit.' He also feels this is the end of a process, and a start of a new relationship between the City of New York, the State of New York, and the towns in the Coalition. Mr. Gitter continued to speak further. He said he wishes the Town had six months to look at the agreement, but they don't. Dean said if the Town doesn't ratify the agreement, there will still be regulations, a land acquisition program, poor relations and nothing to be gained for the Town."November 15, 1996: Second Public Hearing on the Proposed Watershed Agreement
Excerpt from minutes: "Supervisor Grant asked Jay Braman to put a retraction in the paper in regards to Dean Gitter's statement in last week's paper. Mr. Grant said if the Town of Shandaken doesn't sign, they will not be watched or have to follow more stricter rules. Regardless if the Town signs or not, they will have to follow the same regulations set forth in the agreement.
"Councilman Frisenda said over the past three years he has followed the progress on this Agreement very closely. He has attended many of the meetings. There is a very capable law firm in Albany representing the Coalition; they have put hours, days, and years of work into this. It is his opinion that this is the best that the Watershed could get; he feels it is a "win/win situation" for both the City and the Watershed towns. All of the programs and money that are part of this Agreement are backed by letters of credit. Councilman Frisenda said he thinks the Agreement will benefit the Watershed economically and allow everyone to lead normal lives. The regulations that the Town has had with the County Board of Health, with very few exceptions, are just as stringent, if not more so, than the regulations being adopted by the City. He feels this is a 'Historic Agreement' and we will only benefit."
After the discussion the Board voted unanimously to ratify the agreement.January 8, 1997: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Supervisor Grant began the meeting by discussing the "Good Neighbor Money" that will be awarded to the Town as a result of the Watershed Agreement. Mr. Grant said he has a "wish list" that is compiling everyday from various people/organizations within the Town, who have plans for the $600,000 "Good Neighbor Money". The Town hasn't received any of this money yet, and the agreement hasn't been signed due to a few factors, and probably won't be signed until the 13th or 15th of this month. Mr. Grant spoke with Attorney Jeff Baker today; there are certain things on the "Wish List" that will be eligible, which the Town Board will have to review when the Town receives the check. When the Town receives the check it must be placed in separate account; it may not be used to reduce taxes. When the Town has the check, they will advertise for anyone that would like to meet with the Town Board and present their idea, even though it still has to go through the approval of the City of New York. The Town can't just write checks out of this fund, the plans have to be presented and approved by the City of New York, unless they're plans for a vehicle for the Ambulance, Police or Highway Dept. Ruth Houska, of the Shandaken Theatrical Society, asked Mr. Grant who applies for Grants in Ulster County. He informed her that the SHARP Committee applies for the grants. Ms. Houska continued to tell Mr. Grant about an Article in the "Freeman" that said there was $207,000 available for projects for historical and recreational purposes. This money is available through the Environmental Protection Fund, and through the Office of Parks & Recreation and Historic Preservation. She heard that Woodstock Guild of Craftsman is getting $100,000 to buy a building at Byrdcliff. Ms. Houska wanted to know if other municipalities were getting help for parks and projects of this nature, because the "STS" would like to purchase the theater building being they have already put money into it and the present owners aren't upkeeping the building. Supervisor Grant told Ms. Houska to see Jane Todd at the SHARP Office. Mr. Grant said after a project such as this has been applied for, there shouldn't be a problem having the Town sponsor it. There were further comments from residents and Board members...
Jay Braman, Jr. asked Supervisor Grant to elaborate on what type of applications the Board has received for use of the "Good Neighbor Money". Mr. Grant stated that both libraries, Girl Scouts, Cub Scouts and other miscellaneous organizations have written and asked to be included in the allocation of these funds. There have been numerous inquiries for this money. Mr. Grant said some residents have asked about getting funds for their personal property; a few residents are also confusing this money with FEMA money. Mr. Grant reminded everyone that the funding for all projects must be approved by the City. Everyone is entitled to ask, but all projects are subject to approval. Councilman Frisenda commented that the City and State set rules as to what the money can and can't be spent on, and the Town can't deviate from their rules. The State law also governs this because once it becomes Town money you can't spend it privately."January 21, 1997: New York City Watershed Memorandum of Agreement Adopted
Section 131 - Public Education:
"(a) The City shall provide Two Million Dollars ($2,000,000) ("Education Funds") for a program of public education in West of Hudson on the nature and importance of the City's water supply system, and the critical role of Watershed residents as stewards of water quality. Such program shall be established and administered in accordance with this paragraph. Up to $1 million of Education Funds may be used to pay the costs of establishing and maintaining exhibits on the City's water supply and the New York City Watershed at a Catskill regional museum. Any exhibits funded pursuant to this subparagraph shall be historically accurate and shall manifest a fair and balanced view of the subject matter examined. If the funds set aside for exhibits are not utilized within five years of the Effective Date of this Agreement, said funds may be expended in any manner provided for in the following subparagraphs.
"(b) Education Funds shall be used solely to pay for the costs of public education programs and projects intended to increase awareness, including educating students within both the City and the Watershed, of the history of the Watershed and the City's water supply system, the importance of the Watershed to the City and the critical role of the Watershed communities, the ecology of the Watershed, the diversity and importance of aquatic life in the Watershed, and/or the importance of, and means of preserving, stream water quality in the Watershed, and reasonable administrative costs. Education Funds under this paragraph shall not be used to pay for capital costs of constructing stationary facilities or acquiring land."
Section 147 - Good Neighbor Payments:
"(a) The City shall make payments ("Good Neighbor Payments)...to the Parties indicated to help establish a better working partnership with communities in the Watershed in order to protect water quality.
(b) ...The Coalition, Putnam County, and Westchester County shall disburse the Good Neighbor Payments received from the City to their respective municipalities...in accordance with this paragraph and the agreements with the City...Such agreements shall contain the following terms and conditions:
(i) The City shall make all required Good Neighbor Payments 90 days after the date of execution of the agreement between the City and the Party receiving the Good Neighbor Payments from the City in accordance with the procedures set forth in the agreement between the City and such Party...;
(ii) At least thirty (30) days before expending money received as a Good Neighbor Payment, or interest accrued thereon, the municipality shall send the City (in duplicate) a statement of intent to spend the money identifying the project, the amount to be expended and a brief description of how the money will be spent. Upon receipt, the City will send a copy of the statement of intent to spend to a representative of Environmental Parties.
(iii) The Party will use any Good Neighbor Payments received solely to pay for the capital costs of designing, constructing and installing public works or public improvements, or purchasing public equipment, except for automobiles for six or less passengers, that will benefit the public at large. Village and Town Parties may install such public works or improvements or use such public equipment anywhere within the geographic limits of their municipality, whether inside or outside the Watershed, as long as they are for the benefit of the public at large and can reasonably be expected to be used by, or for the benefit of, Watershed residents..."May 14, 1997: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Gary Gailes, property owner in Town of Shandaken, was present, and he began speaking about the $2 million allocation. This allocation is a result of signing the Watershed Agreement, and it covers education. $1 million is available to provide exhibits for a museum for the Catskill Watershed. Mr. Gailes feels that this is something the Town should be trying to utilize. Mr. Gailes owns land up behind Jim McGrath's Ski Shop, and he proposed to donate enough acreage to the Town of Shandaken if they are inclined to pursue these funds available. His proposal would be subject to a structure being built that would house this exhibition. He said there are several aspects about the land; for one, it's just off Rt. 28, near a major tourist attraction. Mr. Gailes feels this location site is located essentially in the Watershed; it is half in Delaware County and half in Ulster County. Mr. Gailes then presented the Board with the rough sketches he put together. He added that some day, it may even be a suitable site for an office for the Catskill Watershed Corporation. Councilman Frisenda asked Mr. Gailes if he actually deed a parcel of land to the Town that was adequate enough to put up a structure. Mr. Gailes responded, most definitely, and he feels this would be a major attraction for the Town of Shandaken. Supervisor Grant asked Mr. Gailes if he had spoken to anyone in Delaware County. Mr. Gailes answered that the had not yet spoken in length to anyone in Delaware County regarding this proposal. Supervisor Grant then thanked Mr. Gailes for his time and his proposal; he said something may materialize from this. He also asked if it would be alright to present and discuss these sketches with Alan Rosa. Mr. Gailes said this would be fine; the museum is very important to him.
Mr. Dean Gitter was present, and wanted to speak in reference to Mr. Gailes proposal. He began by thanking Mr. Gailes for his generosity. Mr. Gitter said he first heard of this idea about two months ago, and feels it is a fantastic idea. He said half of the $2 million is dedicated to the Town of Shandaken. Mr. Gitter continued by discussing the Interpreter Center. The Interpreter Center was budgeted at $6 million, of this figure, $300,000 is dedicated for exhibits. Mr. Gitter further discussed his feelings and ideas regarding this proposal; he feels it will attract visitors from everywhere. Supervisor Grant asked if there was a way for the Town to get some of the funding for this building out of the Economic Development part of the Watershed Agreement. Mr. Gitter then explained finances. Supervisor Grant then asked Mr. Gitter why he had turned away the fire exhibit to be held on Memorial Day Weekend. Mr. Gitter responded that he didn't turn the exhibit away; Don Simms, the person in charge of the exhibit, cancelled it.
Councilman Frisenda asked about the deadline for this project. The Town has until May 1, 1999, to decide if they will house the exhibits. After this date, the funding gets split up among the other Towns in the Watershed Agreement. There was more discussion to follow regarding the Interpreter Center, among Supervisor Grant, Mr. Gitter and Councilman Frisenda. Councilman Frisenda feels the Town should see if we could get additional funds. Supervisor Grant feels the Board will have to review everything discussed tonight. Mr. Grant then clarified that he was never against the Interpreter Center, he felt it belonged centrally in the Rt. 28 Corridor. Councilman Frisenda commented that when the plans for the Interpreter Center were first discussed, the general consensus was that it should have been developed. Supervisor Grant and Dean Gitter a few general comments. Supervisor Grant then thanked Gary Gailes for attending and for his proposal."June 11, 1997: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Supervisor Grant discussed proposed used for the $600,000 in "Good Neighbor Money". It was asked that $300,000 be used toward a museum, on the land located in Highmount. This land would be donated to the Town if they agreed to build a museum there to house Watershed related exhibits; if done the City will also donate $1 million for the exhibits. Supervisor Grant said he is not in favor of this proposal at this time because he feels there are many other priorities in the Town. Some of the priorities mentioned were: a tanker truck for the Phoenicia Fire District, numerous repairs such as the Town Hall, Pine Hill Museum, Doctor's house, etc. Mr. Grant said this money is meant for capital improvements. If the Town wants to do anything later on down the road, a committee should be formed to look into funding them without using taxpayer's money. Supervisor Grant said when he spoke with representatives from Delaware County about having the Catskill Watershed Corporation Offices on the same parcel as the museum, they laughed at the idea. Jay Braman, Jr. asked Supervisor Grant what the process was going to be to determine how the money will be spent. Mr. Grant said an application has to be submitted, but there are permitted uses, with the exception of anything reducing taxes, for capital improvements. Mr. Braman wanted to know how it would be determined on the Town level. Members of the Board said they would have to decide that based upon the applications received...
Barbara Lumbacca asked Supervisor Grant if the $600,000 of "Good Neighbor Money" had to be spent, or could it be invested. He said the money didn't have to be spent; currently it's invested in a CD. Councilman Frisenda stated the only stipulation with the money is that it cannot be used to reduce taxes, and it has to be for capital improvements. It has to be treated as taxpayer's dollars; it can't be given to various organizations.
Paul Pettinato asked the other Board members how they felt about building a museum on Highmount to house the Watershed exhibits. Councilman Byron said he thinks a Committee should be formed to look into it, but at this time he is not in favor of it. Councilman Pettersson said he doesn't feel there is enough information, and therefore isn't in favor of putting that much money forward at this time. Councilman Frisenda said he is 100% in favor of using $300,000 of the funds, but would like to see a Committee formed, because the Town would have to match the $300,000. It would be important for the Committee to look into matching the funds, and if the funds could be acquired from various State and Federal Agencies, then it should be up to the Town Board to decide to commit. Glenn Miller commented that a Pubic Hearing should be held before the Board commits to spending $300,000 for this project. Supervisor Grant said if it will benefit the whole Town of Shandaken, then such a project may happen. There were further open comments between Glenn Miller, Councilman Frisenda and Supervisor Grant. Councilman Frano said destinations need to be created to increase traffic on Rt. 28 and draw in tourism. There was heated debate between Supervisor Grant and Councilman Frisenda regarding the originally proposed locations for the Interpreter Center. There were also further comments from Glenn Miller. Councilman Frisenda said the problem isn't where the Interpreter Center should go, it's finding a place to put it. He said this isn't being done for the Watershed, it's being done to benefit the Town of Shandaken. Councilman Frisenda said a municipality cannot get HUD funds unless they offer a match. Councilman Frano stated "There are 22 million people living two hours away, and if we don't build, there not going to be here. Paul Pettinato said he realizes this, but he thinks the money should be shared by all the taxpayers of the Town. Barbara Lumbacca said to do something special for the people of the Town of Shandaken. Supervisor Grant said the money needs to be divided into something the people need that could be a taxable item. There was then open discussion among Supervisor Grant, Councilman Frano and Frisenda. Mr. Grant commented on the heavy traffic that would be on the road due to increased tourism. Councilman Frisenda said if there was more tourism maybe local businesses wouldn't be "starving"; also it would create more jobs for residents. There were brief additional comments to follow."July 9, 1997: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Recreation Report - Councilman Pettersson
Councilman Pettersson again introduced Jeff McNutt, the new Recreation Director, and asked him to give an update on another project the Recreation Committee has been working on. Jeff explained how the Committee put together some plans for possible use of the Watershed Funds to build a pool for the Town. The Committee doesn't feel an outdoor facility would be able to generate enough revenue, due to the short season we have. They've looked into indoor facilities and have also been getting estimates. The Committee wanted to see how the residents of the Town felt about the possibility of having a pool, so Jeff organized a phone survey, which is still ongoing. Jeff then gave figures of phone calls made, and said that of the calls made so far, 317 people were definitely in support of such a project. Supervisor Grant commented that at one time, Benedictine Hospital said if the Town ever built an indoor pool that was health related, they would fund some of the cost. Jeff said he knows of several people who have to travel to the pool in Kingston for therapeutic uses. He said the survey was just done for the Town of Shandaken, but to keep in mind that it would be a regional facility, bringing in potential revenue. Supervisor Grant then announced that he was going to form two Committees tonight. The committee assigned to the museum project is Councilman Frisenda, Councilman Frano, Paul Pettinato, Keith Johnson, Ron Oxendale, Robert Konefal and Beatrice Morra. Councilman Frisenda suggested having one Committee consisting of twelve people, to come up with ideas of how the Watershed Money can be used, and take suggestions to bring back to the Town Board. He feels the committee should be made up of year round residents, seasonal residents, business people and at least three Town Board Members. If members of the Town Board are on the Committee and they have meetings, the meetings must be advertised, and anyone can attend the meeting and give their suggestion. Supervisor Grant said for this month, there is going to be two committees. Those assigned to the pool committee are Charles Frasier, Councilman Pettersson, Joe Michaels, Glenn Miller, Jane Todd, Jeff McNutt and Dr. Lippert. Councilman Frisenda commented that it would be a help if the pool committee could get some figures for the cost of the pool. Supervisor Grant said once each committee has had a couple of meetings, he wouldn't have a problem uniting the two committees into one.
Betty Bolsetzian asked if the museum being discussed was going to be built in Glenbrook Park. Councilman Frisenda explained that per the Watershed Agreement and an Agreement that the Coalition of the Watershed Towns have, there is $1 million in the Education Fund "ear marked" for a Watershed Museum within the Town of Shandaken for exhibits. It would be up to the Town to come up with a building to put them in. At this point in time, there is a property owner in the Town, who has offered to donate/deed a one or two acre parcel of land for a building approximately 5,000 sq. feet, to house the exhibits. The Town has to look into the cost of construction and matching funds. If the Town uses the funds to build an indoor swimming facility, it would probably be built in Glenbrook Park. Supervisor Grant said to keep in mind that it costs about $12,000 each year just to transport the kids to Minekill. He feels over time, this money could be better applied.
Blake Killin asked what was wrong with the Pine Hill Lake for recreation purposes. Jeff McNutt responded that there was a tremendous concern with the children's safety; the water in the lake can become murky, making it easy to lose a child. Blake then asked why they don't consider going to Wilson Park. Councilman Pettersson explained that the Pine Hill Lake and Wilson Park are run by the DEC, and there would be a cost per child or per bus. Minekill doesn't charge, and they provide swimming lessons. Also, there is still concern about the waste/parasites in the water from the geese and ducks. Luckily, the recreation program didn't attend the lake last year. Betty Bolsetzian asked if the pool would be able to hold 180 people. Councilman Pettersson said if they are able to get a pool, they are looking into an Olympic size pool.
Vinnie Bernstein asked where the museum would be located if the Town were to have one. Councilman Frisenda told him Gary Gailes has a parcel of land on Highmount, and he is willing to donate/deed two acres of that parcel to the Town. Councilman Frisenda commented on the view from there, and said that there were some preliminary sketches of a museum which included a theater and an observation tower."October 8, 1997: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Rick Hoy had a question regarding the possibility of the Town building an Olympic size swimming pool. He said he read about it in the newspaper, and also heard that someone was calling residents to get their input. Mr. Hoy stated he wasn't contacted and doesn't see the need for an Indoor Olympic size swimming pool. He commented that he thought the "Good Neighbor" money was suppose to benefit everyone in the Town. Mr. Hoy said he isn't against fixing the old pool in Glenbrook Park for seasonal use, but he doesn't think it's worth spending the money to build a year round pool or the cost for the upkeep. Councilman Pettersson, also Liaison to the Recreation Committee and Chairman of the Pool Committee, addressed Rick Hoy's comments. He explained that Jeff MacNutt, the Recreation Director, did a phone survey, along with six other people from Phoenicia School. This was done over a two day period, in the evening. They made 456 calls and got through to 320 residents. In their calls, they didn't discuss dollar amounts, they just asked how the residents felt about a year round swimming pool for the Town. Of those contacted, 90% were in favor of having a pool. Jim Short asked how many of those people contacted were taxpayers. Councilman Pettersson responded that they got their list from the tax roll. Everyone they called was a local taxpayer; they didn't call the out of state property owners. Rick Hoy said they could of left messages for the residents who weren't home at the time of the call. Councilman Pettersson said the survey was only done over a two day period, therefore they didn't leave messages. Rick Hoy said he has been talking with others and he doesn't understand how Councilman Pettersson is coming up with 90% being in favor of the pool. Councilman Pettersson explained the 90% is based on the 320 people who were reached and in favor, out of the 456 called. Mr. Hoy wanted to know what questions were asked in the survey. Councilman Pettersson answered that he didn't have the specific questions on hand, but they were pertaining to using Watershed Monies to build a swimming pool. Mr. Hoy then commented that there are a lot of middle age people who work, and wouldn't have the time to use the pool. Councilman Pettersson clarified the pool wouldn't be something that's taxed; it would be done on a membership basis. Jim Short had comments regarding the price per year for usage. Councilman Pettersson said it may sound like a lot of money, but it only comes out to about $1.00 per day; the fees charged would also be enough to cover yearly maintenance. He also said he knows of many residents who spend much more than this to travel to Kingston to use the pool at the YMCA, Ramada and Holiday Inn. There were further open comments debating this. Councilman Frano said to keep in mind that the Town is spending over $13,000 for about ten days to bus the children to Minekill. Councilman Pettersson also stressed the fact that the pool will not be an Olympic size swimming pool; the dimensions for the proposed pool are 42 feet wide by 72 feet long. The reason for this size is because it's what's recognized by the as standard for high school competition. Councilman Pettersson met with the School Board to get their endorsement. The Director of Athletics sent a letter saying that they would be interested in making a swim and dive team. There were additional arguments regarding costs. Norma Litwak wanted to know what progress was made with the old hotel pool (now in Glenbrook Park). Supervisor Grant told her that they have an engineer coming to look at it, but it needs a lot of work. Supervisor Grant also explained that the in addition to the Watershed Money, the Town was applying for a grant. In order for the Town to apply for the grant, they must match the federal funds. The deadline for this grant is October 15th. Mr. Grant said that even if the Town applies for the grant and later we decide we don't want to proceed with the pool, we can withdraw our application. John Pennisi asked what would happen if we proceeded with the pool and after one year it failed. Mr. Pennisi feels this would be a burden on the residents, and it should be put on referendum. Supervisor Grant explained if it is put on referendum and passed, the Town has no choice but build the pool. Councilman Pettersson said there is a problem with many rumors floating around and many people with inaccurate information. He told of a letter received by Shandaken Senior Citizens expressing their support of an indoor pool. Councilman Pettersson said he has done a lot of research regarding the proposed pool and has received many calls from other areas, who would be willing to come to the Town and pay a fee for usage of the pool. He also stated that the proposed pool would have to be open to other areas being the Town would use federal and state funds to build it. The Town could charge a different rate for non-residents. Bill Ryan was against "giving" Onteora a pool; he said they have always looked down on Shandaken. Councilman Pettersson corrected him and said the Town isn't giving them a pool, and that he was the one who approached the School Board. The average operating/maintenance costs would be approximately $90,000 a year. Ed Ocker asked if the pool would be put out to bid. Supervisor Grant explained, and said it was federal money, with federal specifications. Bill Ryan asked if there were any other possibilities for the "Good Neighbor Money". Supervisor Grant said the Board has received suggestions from non-profit organizations, and has also received calls from charity organizations for donations. Mr. Grant again explained that in regards to the Town spending the "Good Neighbor Money", the Town has to send the City a proposal to get their approval. There is criteria for how the money can be spent.
"Supervisor Grant discussed the General taxes in the Town. He said the General tax bills haven't gone up in the past six years. There was then a brief discussion on the street lights in Phoenicia and the cost involved.
"Jerry Litwak had additional questions pertaining to the federal money. Supervisor Grant and Councilman Pettersson explained. Councilman Pettersson said it isn't sure money, the Town has to apply, and there are probably 300 other applicants who will also be applying. The grants range from $200,000 - $350,000; the Town is looking for $350,000. Bill Ryan asked if the Town was going to proceed with the pool or museum, even though many people weren't in favor of it. In regards to the pool, Mr. Ryan asked why everyone couldn't use the Pine Hill Lake for a seasonal swimming facility. Councilman Pettersson told him the recreation program cannot use Pine Hill Lake because it has a sandy bottom. When all the children are in the lake swimming around, it becomes cloudy and the life guards cannot clearly see if someone needs help. At this point, the Dept. of Health would probably give approval for the recreation program to go there, but in the beginning they were also concerned with the life guard situation. Another problem is the cost involved with utilizing the lake; it is managed by the DEC. Minekill, which is where we go now and is an hour away, doesn't charge because it's run by Parks & Recreation Dept. of the State. Bill Ryan wanted to know if the Board was truly listening to him, or if their minds were already made. Both Supervisor Grant and Councilman Pettersson told him they were listening and still gathering input. Supervisor Grant discussed a letter received from the Copperhood Inn. The Boy Scouts used the pool in the Copperhood Inn a few times, but they were charged $5.00. Mrs. Winnigrad was approached about the recreation program using the pool, but she didn't want it to interfere with her guests. Mr. Ryan again commented that he felt the Board's mind was already made. Councilman Pettersson and Supervisor Grant told him that people should attend the Monday night workshop meetings prior to the Board Meetings, because this is where the work takes place and the agenda is set for the actual Board Meeting.
"Councilman Frisenda made a statement regarding some misconceptions and misstatements that came out of the Workshop Meeting last Monday night. There are a lot of proposals that have been put forth in regards to the $600,000 "Good Neighbor Money". There are three major projects: One is a rescue van, put forth by the rescue squad, which would require $135,000. The other project, which has been under discussion for about a year and a half, is the museum. The third project is the swimming pool. Councilman Frisenda said he's not against the swimming pool or any of the other projects put forth. When these projects were brought up this past summer, the Town Board agreed that when Committees got information together, the information would be brought to the Town Board and taxpayers at a Public Hearing for that purpose, which would be advertised in the paper. Councilman Frisenda said Supervisor Grant has a long "wish list" of projects which people would like to have undertaken. This money has to be treated as taxpayers money by New York State Law. There are certain projects and uses that it can and cannot be used for. When the Board gets explaining to the public, at a public forum, half to 90% of the "wish list" will disappear because the money can't be spent in all those ways; this will alleviate some of the problem. He said there were some remarks about not holding a Committee meeting. He said there was no meeting held because the facts and figures for the museum have been compiled over the last year and a half to two years. When the Committee was formed, Supervisor Grant put the names forth as to who would be on the Committee, but not all the members were notified they were on Committee. Councilman Frisenda said when he did contact those members three of them refused to be on the Committee; one could not undertake the responsibility because her son has been ill. Councilman Frisenda said at this time, he didn't see the point in contacting the fourth Committee member (Keith Johnson) because he feels there's no point in having a meeting until they get input from the public. The facts and figures on the museum are compiled, there are preliminary sketches drawn and there are cost estimates. Councilman Frisenda spoke further and addressed comments stated last Monday night pertaining to him being interested in the museum to draw business. About two years ago the Central Catskill's Planning Alliance, which Councilman Frisenda is a member of, had a meeting at Belleayre. The Committee people chairing the meeting were asked what they would gain if Belleayre was expanded. Councilman Frisenda said it is true that he is interested in expanding Belleayre and building a museum because it will increase volume for the local businesses, including his. It will also increase the property value. There was open debate between Bill Ryan, Councilman Frisenda and Supervisor Grant regarding who was appointed to each Committee. Councilman Frisenda continued and addressed further comments that have been directed toward him. He said the issue he brought up Monday night was that the Town Board had agreed to hold a Public Meeting to get input on the subject of how the "Good Neighbor" money is to be spent; they didn't. He said this is why he is opposed to the resolution that may be put forth regarding the Town applying for a grant for the proposed pool. At this point, Councilman Frisenda excused himself from the remainder of the meeting and left."November 6, 1997: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: Councilman Byron stated that at Monday night's workshop meeting, there was some interest in looking into the Phoenicia Plaza for a possible site for a new Town Hall and Museum. Councilman Byron said tonight the Board met with the owners of the Plaza and they will [be] meeting again Thursday November 13th at 4:00 p.m., at the Plaza to get an overview of the building. Councilman Byron emphasized that this is only in the "looking stages". There were then open comments from Board members as well as residents present. Supervisor Grant told residents that they are welcome to attend the meeting Thursday and tour the building. One resident had comments regarding the Board answering questions and keeping the public informed. Councilman Byron stated that the present Town Hall has no room for expansion and is a very old building without sufficient space. Councilman Pettersson said there are concerns about the Plaza, some of them being the heating system, septic system and roof. Councilman Frano said another concern is the building being taken off the tax roll. Michelle Sparks, of Phoenicia, asked what would be in the museum and had questions regarding the uses for the "Good Neighbor Money" and how the Board will decide on what to spend it on; Councilman Frisenda and Supervisor Grant explained. Councilman Frisenda explained that the City could not purchase the plaza because they are prohibited from purchasing any habitual dwellings. He also explained that the Town can only spend the money on capital expenditures to benefit the entire Town. Councilman Frano explained the technicalities of spending the money, and Councilman Pettersson added that all spending must be approved by the CWC. There will be public hearings held on any, possible projects, and the Town Board will ultimately make the decision based on the public's input. Supervisor Grant clarified that there was a deadline for the grant application for the proposed pool project; all the Town did was apply for the grant, it's not definite they are going forward with the grant. Maria Penisi said she doesn't think it's accurate to say that 62% of the senior citizens are in favor of the pool project. Supervisor Grant responded that there is definite interest among many of the senior citizens to have a pool; he also added that many of them currently go to the YMCA to swim, which costs more to use than a Town pool would. Mr. Grant said the old existing pool in Glenbrook Park was uncovered to see if it is salvageable as a last resort. The Town pays approximately $13,000 for ten days for transportation for the recreation program to and from Minekill. There were further open comments from other members of the Board. Councilman Pettersson stated that people don't realize the Town is taking money given to the Town and gaining more money by applying for grants; it's not costing anyone anything. Romeo Fecci said he thinks spending the $13,000 for the recreation program is better than the thousands which would be spent for maintenance on the pool. Supervisor Grant interrupted and reminded everyone that the proposed project is only in the early stages; if anything materializes there will be Public Hearings for questions, answers, etc. There was some argument to follow between Supervisor Grant and Maria Penisi. Glenn Miller, who is on the Pool Committee, had a few comments. He wanted to know why many of the people complaining haven't been at previous meetings. Mr. Miller said someone in the State is going to get this grant money, and it may as well be Shandaken, whether you're in favor of the pool or not. Supervisor Grant interrupted at this point and again stated that there will be future hearings if anything materializes with the proposed pool project.December 29, 1997: Shandaken Town Board Year End Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Tonight was Councilman Frisenda's last official meeting, and he told the Board it has been his sincere pleasure working with them. Supervisor Grant commented that although there were times not- everyone agreed with Councilman Frisenda, he is very knowledgeable and has come forth with a lot of positive concepts in the Town of Shandaken. Mr. Grant said a Rt. 28 Corridor Committee has been appointed, as well as other Committees, and he hopes Mr. Frisenda will remain in tact and continue to be a part of them...
"Jay Braman, Jr. asked what the "I love New York" visitor center was. Councilman Frisenda explained that the state has these visitor centers in different locations. There is an "I love New York" Committee, with a Commissioner in charge of it. There was one offered by the Deputy Commissioner when we were trying to get the state, on a temporary basis, to put the old Interpreter Center at Catskill Corners. At that time, the Deputy Commissioner said she would put a visitor center in that building. Supervisor Grant said he met Bernt Liefeld, and he proposed something to the Catskill Center for Conservation to put something on that parcel of land which will benefit both the Town of Shandaken and the Town of Olive. Mr. Braman asked if the visitor center was the Watershed Museum, and also asked the location. Supervisor Grant responded no; he explained that the meeting he attended was set up to not use Watershed Monies to go to private sector, etc. Mr. Grant said this is a joint entity between the Town of Shandaken and the Town of Olive; it is strictly an information site. Councilman Frisenda commented that the Interpreter Center is a state owned site, and the State has said it is a "dead issue" to use that parcel. He also said the information center may incorporate rest areas. There were further comments from Supervisor Grant."January 14, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Resolution #39 (offered by Councilman Pettersson)
WHEREAS, the Town of Shandaken Town Board will hold a Public Hearing to hear all those present on the discussion of potential uses of the Watershed Good Neighbor Money. Some topics of prior discussion were an All Season Swimming Pool; Watershed Museum; and Town Offices, and
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Town Board cause this public hearing to take place at 1:00 PM on Saturday January 24, 1998, at the Phoenicia Elementary School, Route 214 and School Lane, Phoenicia, New York, and be it further
RESOLVED that the Phoenicia Elementary School is accessible to the disabled.
AND MOVES ITS ADOPTION ROLL CALL 5 AYESJanuary 24, 1998: Public Hearing on Use of Watershed "Good Neighbor" Money
The Board met this date as advertised, with the following members present: Supervisor Grant, Councilmen Byron, Frano, Hoyt and Pettersson. Also present were members of press Blake Killin and Jay Braman, Jr. In addition, there were approximately 35 residents present.
Supervisor Grant called the hearing to order by mentioning possible proposed uses of the Good Neighbor Money. Some of these uses include town hall improvements, a swimming pool, and a watershed museum. Mr. Grant also mentioned that they looked into helping the Railway Museum. Mr. Grant told everyone the two main things that would be discussed today were the pool and the museum. fie said to direct all questions pertaining to the pool to Councilman Pettersson. Supervisor Grant continued by explaining the Rt. 28 Corridor Committee. It has been in existence for a number of years and has done numerous studies. Members of the Rt. 28 Corridor Committee include: Dean Gitter, Chairman, Al Frisenda, Glenn Miller, Erich Griesser and Dennis Frano, Liaison. Mr. Grant said any questions pertaining to the museum can be directed at any of these five members. He then opened questions for the proposed pool.
Mike Ricciardella, resident and business owner, asked how much the maintenance would be per year for the pool. Councilman Pettersson said the engineering firm that did the cost estimates broke it down into two separate budgets, one being used as an outdoor, seasonal (3 month) usage. The pool, electrical service, chemicals, life guards & assistant, and security area lighting would total approximately $20,000. If the entire project were done for an indoor, heated facility there would be additional costs such as dehumidification, pool and building heating. There would also be an increase in costs for life guards, electric, chemical, lighting, etc., which would bring the total to approximately $67,000; with an annual operating maintenance budget of $87,000. Councilman Pettersson then commented on the pool committee that had been appointed, which includes himself, Dr. Lippert, Glenn Miller, Charlie Frasier, Jane Todd and Joe Michaels; he said they have met several times. Mike Ricciardella had further questions on the operating costs. Councilman Pettersson said the pool would be 42 ft. wide and 75 ft. long, and would require all the necessary accessories such as pumps, filters, gutters, ladders, steps, etc. was priced out at $350,000. There was an additional 5300 sq. ft. of decking, mechanical office, restroom, medical and changing rooms, as required by New York State and the Ulster County Health Department. It would also require a waste disposal system for the toilets, showers and sinks, as well as a chain link fence. For Phase 1, which would be for the outdoor pool, the total cost would be $700,000. For the indoor pool, the total cost would be approximately- $900,000 depending on how elaborate the building and heating system is. One resident asked if it would be where the old pool is in Glenbrook Park, which has been dug out. Councilman Pettersson responded no, it would be a new facility. He said the old pool was excavated in order to get an engineer to tell us if it is worth fixing. Mr. Ricciardella had additional questions about the pool regarding the life expectancy and liability insurance. Councilman Pettersson said in speaking to the engineer, he was also able to speak with a man who has done all the swimming pools in the New York State area, and the life expectancy should be anywhere between 10 and 13 years before any significant upgrading is necessary. Glenn Miller commented that the main things which usually need upgrading first are the filters and pump motors. There was then some open discussion on the liability in the event of an accident. Glenn Miller commented that it would be under the Town policy. Councilman Pettersson said he went to a school board meeting a couple months ago to see if they would be in support of the pool project and they said yes. Councilman Pettersson said he spoke with a man from West Hurley, who is an official for U.S. Swim; the closest facility that they participate at is in Marist College in Poughkeepsie. They have 12 students out of the Woodstock and West Hurley area; it was mentioned that if they were to use the pool as a swimming facility, they would also need a diving end. Councilman Pettersson said when this issue came up everyone was concerned about the liability. He said he called the insurance carrier and explained the proposed project, and the quote he was given was an additional $725.00 on the current premium.
Another resident asked if the bill for maintenance would be presented to the tax payers. Councilman Pettersson answered that he wants the project to be a self-supporting and not a burden on the tax payers of the Town. He would like there to be some type of membership/user fee whether it's yearly, monthly or daily. Trudy Stroh, resident, asked if there were enough people in the Town to support the pool. Councilman Pettersson said if you break down the $90,000, he estimates the cost for a family membership per year to be $300; he feels we would need 300 families at $300 per year to make the project work. Bob Kalb, resident, asked if there was any kind of projection of how much income would come back to the Town from outside sources. Councilman Pettersson said because state and federal grant money would be used, the pool would have to be made available to outside towns, but Shandaken could charge them a different rate from the Town residents. Mr. Kalb wanted to know if the Town would make back more than the yearly maintenance costs. Councilman Pettersson responded that he is just hoping the pool will make enough to support itself. Supervisor Grant stated that it costs $14,000 a year to transport the recreation program to Minekill for ten days. He said for Phase I (the outside pool), the cost is $20,000. If the Town doesn't get accepted for the grant, they are "back to square one". Mike Ricciardella asked how much money the Town is expecting from the grant, and how much the Town will actually have to apply for. Councilman Pettersson said the Town applied for a matching grant from the Office of Parks & Recreation for $350,000, and at the October Town Board Meeting a commitment was made to support the $350,000 of the matching portion. Mike Ricciardella commented that this would only be enough for the outdoor pool; Councilman Pettersson said yes, they would have to seek other grant monies to do the indoor. He then said he has been thinking about approaching the CWC regarding the "Economic Fund for the Future". He said their goal is to create jobs, and the pool would create jobs, so the Town may have a shot at that. Councilman Hoyt asked if other communities would be likely to attend the pool. Councilman Pettersson said many of the surrounding communities have their own pool, however, it would be opened to other communities. Harry Jameson, resident and business owner, expressed his feelings against the pool. He feels that for a Town whose taxpayers can barely meet their tax bills, the costs for the pool are more than the Town can "bite off". He feels the $14,000 spent of transportation to Minekill is safer than the costs involved for the pool. Mr. Jameson also commented that if Onteora wants a pool, they should build one in Boiceville. Councilman Pettersson clarified that it was he who approached the School to see if they were interested in the concept.
Paul Friery asked if it was an Olympic size swimming pool that was being considered. Councilman Pettersson responded no, it would be a 25 yard pool. Glenn Miller commented that an Olympic Pool is 50 yards; a standard high school racing pool that meets New York State regulations for State competitions must be 25 yards.
Paul Cutrone asked if the pool was built, if the Town would still be responsible for transporting children to the pool. Councilman Pettersson said he would say no. Supervisor Grant said there would still be minimal fees; he also said they would still have to provide life guards and counselors. Councilman Pettersson said some of these positions may be incorporated into the life guarding already needed. Councilman Pettersson said the average attendance on Minekill days is about 130 kids. He feels it's safe to say that there are another 50 or 60 kids who don't participate because their parents don't want them riding on a bus for an hour and twenty minutes. In addition to this, Minekill is a nice facility, but there is no shade and the kids are "cooked" by the time they get home.
Mike Ricciardella said in taking in the costs involved, he feels it is a big risk to proceed with this project. There were open comments from others, then Supervisor Grant again clarified that the project had to go in two steps; step one would be constructing the outdoor pool.
Roy Winchell, resident, wanted to know who is going to run the pool. Supervisor Grant and Councilman Pettersson responded. Mr. Winchell commented on the pool the County has in New Paltz; he said they have never made any money on it since it has been put it. Councilman Pettersson responded that the pool shouldn't be a source of income, but it should cover its expenses. Supervisor Grant commented on a situation where a resident wanted to have a pool party for her child's birthday party. He said she ended up going to the Holiday Inn in Kingston, and the fee there is $5.00 per usage. Mr. Grant said the Town has been criticized for not seeking pool facilities, but they have made attempts.
Another resident said she's glad the children are being discussed, but the older generation could also benefit from the pool.
Supervisor Grant reviewed the Watershed Agreement for those not up to date. He again said how Shandaken was the last Town to sign the Watershed Agreement; he also said we really didn't have much choice. After 75% of the towns within the Watershed signed, it didn't matter if Shandaken signed or not because we would still have to live with the regulations. Mr. Grant said we have to think about the children because they are the ones who will pay the penalties down the road.
Mike Ricciardella commented that he hopes the children can afford the taxes in the future. There were further comments from Supervisor Grant regarding the taxes as well as progression needed in the Town.
Geddy Sveikauskas said he supports the Board for applying for a matching grant for a pool facility, however he questions if it is economically viable. Mr. Sveikauskas said he has four kids, and as a parent and a reporter, he has been to various State parks, the Holidome, and all the facilities in the County that the Board of Health gives licenses to. He said some of the facilities have been well maintained and some haven't. Geddy said in talking to his family he doesn't think they would be members because rather than spending $300, they are satisfied with their present choices for less money. He questions whether or not Shandaken has 300 families to support the pool. Mr. Sveikauskas said he would like to see the Town go forward and he would like to see additional facilities, but he wants the facilities to have some chance of being economically viable and a greater benefit than it seems to be. Councilman Pettersson answered that the $300 fee is not "set in stone"; they proposed to charge a daily fee, monthly fee, or an annual fee. This was followed by some open discussion. Supervisor Grant commented on reasons why the recreation program cannot use the Pine Hill Lake; (the water getting too cloudy to see the children at all times and the problem with the kids getting the skirt rash as a result of the geese swimming there). He then said the State should take steps to correct these problems.
Dot Casey, resident, said the Holiday Inn charges a $100 membership for three months. She also commented on the Pine Hill Lake.
Melissa Rebock, resident, said she is also a parent, and she thinks everyone needs to look at the bigger picture. She feels we need a variety of programs, as well as a safe place in the community for kids to go. Mrs. Rebock also commented on the long bus ride the children have to get to and from Minekill and how many of them returned so sunburned.
Dean Gitter, resident and businessman, clarified the costs for the pool. He said the facility operated in the summer alone would cost $20,000; the Town is now spending $14,000 a year for transportation to Minekill. The financial debate is only how do we pay for an additional $6,000 a year. Mr. Litter 'said given this is a 100 day season, you only need 60 people a day at $1 per person, and you have paid for the extra $6,000. Mr. Gitter also commented that if it is a family using it, possibly a family rate could be worked out. Mr. Gitter went on to say how busy he has seen the pool in Fleischmanns.
Wayne Gutmann, resident and former supervisor, said he is the one who had the old pool filled in years ago. He said he appreciates the sincere sentiments from those who are looking at various issues and interests for the children, as well as the elderly. However, Mr. Gutmann, said he feels all of these issues lead to the concern of affordability. Mr. Gutmann said in his years of experience the main concern has always been "can we afford our taxes". He continued by telling how he went to the comptroller's office years ago and got figures for a community pool. He said for a community this size, the cost for a pool could become devastating. Mr. Gutmann also discussed insurance costs; he suggested going around to other communities with pools to see what their paying for insurance, rather than just getting quotes front agencies. He further expressed his feelings against the pool; he feels it will ultimately be a tax burden.
Dr. Lippert expressed his feelings on the proposed pool project and the need for a community project.
Dot Casey commented that we need to do something to help keep the young people here.
Heidi Clark, resident, said she agreed with Dr. Lippert, she also feels we need a community project that everyone will benefit from. She told of how she lived in New Hampshire and how there was a community center there for the kids, the senior citizens, "Meals on Wheels", etc. Mrs. Clark said she believes if there were such a place in Shandaken, many would attend.
Veronica Flemming, member of the Recreation Commission, said she has been on the Recreation Committee for twelve years, and since she has been on it, people have always asked, "Why do the kids have to go out of the Town?" She feels that even if the Town doesn't get the matching grant, we should use the Good Neighbor Money for an outdoor pool. She said it seems like now or never; she also commented that if it did become an indoor facility she thinks people would apt to become a member.
Ryqq Rebock, resident, feels the pool is an excellent idea, whether it's outdoor or indoor. Mr. Rebock also thinks it would pull in more tourism. He added that if the Town does get to Phase II (indoor pool), it will be very exciting.
Declan Feehan, Onteora graduate, said when he compares class sizes from when he graduated to present, they have gone down. He feels if the taxes continue to rise, nobody will stay or move here.
Supervisor Grant stated that at this point we will move on to discuss the proposed museum project. He again pointed out the members: Dean Gitter, Chairman, Al Frisenda and Glenn Miller. Mr. Grant told everyone to direct their questions toward them. Prior to any questions, Mr. Gitter explained what the museum is and_ how the idea got started. The Attorney for the Catskill Watershed Corporation, which is ultimately the source of the $600,000, asked Supervisor Grant to provide information to the State Comptroller about this project. Mr. Grant then asked the Rt. 28 Corridor Committee to give the Comptroller the facts on this project. Mr. Gitter then read aloud the letter. Mr. Gitter said the Corridor Committee didn't tell the Comptroller of the economic development potential of this museum. He continued by mentioning the $1 million available for exhibits for the museum, and discussed entry fees for the museum; adults $2.50, students $1.00. Mr. Gitter believes the museum would have no problem attracting 50,000; also if the museum were to be located on Highmount, visitors would have to travel through the entire Town to get there. Mr. Gitter stated that Belleayre is a prime tourist attraction, and with the museum being near there it would make it even more of an attraction. He went on to mention the possibility of the sewer lines being run from Highmount down to Pine Hill. Last, Mr. Gitter pointed out that there are at least two other Towns (Neversink and Hunter) that are vigorously campaigning for the money for exhibits for such a museum. He said he is proposing that $250,000 of the Good Neighbor Money be set aside as a challenge grant.
Mike Ricciardella said he is President of the Phoenicia Businessman's Association, and he represents over 40 businesses. He said since Rt. 28 left Phoenicia, there has been a struggle there for over 25 years; many almost went out of business. He commented that the Phoenicia businesses pay the most taxes in the Town and are the (IUD of Shandaken. Mr. Ricciardella asked the Board why both of the proposed projects are situated in the upper end of Shandaken and nothing on the lower end. Supervisor Grant responded that Glenbrook Park is the most central part of the Town, and it is already Town owned property. Mr. Ricciardella then asked why the museum couldn't be put on the interpreter center site. Councilman Frano answered that the museum would be better located on Highmount because in order to get to it, you have to drive through the entire Town. Also, the interpreter center site is owned by the Catskill Center for Conservation. Mike Ricciardella said he spoke with Ward Todd and the Catskill Center for Conservation said they would love to do such a project. Councilman Frano said if the project were done on that site, they would have a say in what's developed, being it's their property. Al Frisenda said the Town of Shandaken cannot take taxpayer's money and put it into a site that it doesn't have control of; he said he checked into this with an Association of Towns Lawyer, and it is a state law. The project has to be on a piece of property the Town owns. Geddy Sveikauskas said the Catskill Center and Trust for Public Land bought that parcel known as the Interpreter Center, and then signed a 99 year lease to the State. The first three years of that, the Catskill Center and Trust for Public Land got most of it's money back. Geddy said there are things in the lease regarding this piece of land where it could be used as an Interpreter Center or something similar. Nobody has approached the Catskill Center and inquired about changing it to accommodate another facility (such as the museum). Mr. Sveikauskas spoke more, then Al Frisenda addressed the subject. Mr. Frisenda said he was told on three occasions that the Interpreter Center could not be used for anything else, without the Catskill Center for Conservation's Board having the say as to what will go on and how it will be done. At that time, Al and the Committee involved opted not to get involved in another ten year fiasco. There was then further response from Mr. Sveikauskas. Supervisor Grant addressed the audience and stated that if the Interpreter Site were to be used as a museum or any other project, being it is only minutes from the Thruway, people will turn around there and go back home rather than bring their business further into Town. Mr. Sveikauskas responded that his concern is what will be in the museum. He said this is what will determine how many people visit and continue their travel throughout the Town. He said he would like to see an effort to make this facility a "first class attraction". Supervisor Grant commented on the agreement between Olive and Shandaken to put an Information Center on that parcel. There was further discussion between Supervisor Grant and Mr. Sveikauskas.
Dr. Lippert expressed his feelings against the museum. He also commented on how the City gave Shandaken money for entering into the Watershed Agreement; he feels the City will be getting the money back if it were to be put into a Watershed museum. Dr. Lippert mentioned the size of the museum; he doesn't see how $1 million worth of exhibits will go into a 50 X 100 building. He further said that the only people who would be likely to visit the museum would be school kids on class trips. Dean Gitter informed Dr. Lippert that the City was dragged into this project; it wasn't their idea. The City has put up the money, but the idea is the Corridor Committee's and they have control of it, as well as control over design of the exhibits. Mr. Gitter said he has spent far less than $1 million at Catskill Corners and he has attracted 100,000 people. He said he knows how to attract a crowd, and he can guarantee that with $1 million worth of exhibits, it won't be difficult to attract a crowd. Mr. Gitter said that a valid concern he has heard today is where to put the museum. Al Frisenda said up until two months ago, Shandaken was the only one talking about a museum, now there are other Towns competing for the money for this project. He feels this will be an educational facility and a tourist attraction.
Wayne Gutmann directed some comments toward Al Frisenda and told him he has to realize the sensitivity of these projects with the community. Mr. Gutmann said the businessmen need to be more creative and stop coming to the Board and the taxpayers looking for money. He wanted to know who was going to be responsible for the upkeep of the museum. Mr. Gutmann then commented on the museum in Albany and stated that even there, the main visitors are students on class trips. He feels the museum will be another tax burden. Mr. Gutmann said there is no industry here, and pointed out that our best asset is the mountains. He said money corrupts; all of the residents in the Town are "at each other's throats" over what to do with the money. Mr. Gutmann also expressed his views against select committees making decisions. Councilman Frano interrupted and explained why committees are appointed. He also commented that lack of lodging is the biggest problem now in our area. Mr. Gutmann continued by expressing his views against the Catskill Corners project. Supervisor Grant interrupted and told Wayne not to single out select individuals or stray from the purpose of the hearing.
Al Frisenda said he has been here for 26 years and the taxes haven't gone down since he got here, and there hasn't been any money spent on facilities to bring more tourists here to increase the tax base. He said if we keep this kind of mentality, there won't be anything left in the Town. There were additional comments exchanged between Wayne Gutmann and Al Frisenda.
Harry Jameson commended efforts made. He said we need to do things that will benefit the community, attract people and keep people here. He then commented that out of his graduating class, there are only about 10% still in the area because there's nothing here to make an economy. There was then discussion between Mr. Jameson and Supervisor Grant regarding jobs in the Town and salaries, particularly those of the Highway Department.
Dot Casey said she isn't against the museum, but was concerned whether or not people would come back more than once. Bob Kalb has some open comments and pointed out how many visitors return to the museum in Cooperstown each year. Mr. Gitter said that many people are unaware of the Watershed and there is rising curiosity.
Declan said that he works for Harry Jameson and after tubing, the most popular question is "What else is there to do?" He said many of the visitors leave and to go other areas such as Woodstock, etc. and spend their money there, rather than in Shandaken.
A resident commented that the Railway Museum, which is only open on weekends, had 10,000 visitors last summer.
Sam Magarelli, County- Legislature, asked if there were any other ideas for the use of the Good Neighbor Money. Mr. Magarelli suggested paving the parking lot around the Empire State Railway Museum so they could bring in tour buses or expand on the facility. Supervisor Grant responded.
Councilman Byron said he is in favor of making some drastic improvement in our Town Hall; he said there are a lot of improvements that need to be made, such as handicap accessible bathrooms. Supervisor Grant commented on how the Board looked into the shopping plaza building, which is also big enough to incorporate the museum. This is still "on the drawing board", as is Rudy Frank's property, which he and Councilman Hoyt will be reviewing. Supervisor Grant said if the community is going to be this split over what to do with the money, and nobody's interested in economic development, maybe the Town should leave the money in the bank and draw the $36,000 a year to purchase permitted items, such as an ambulance, etc. Mr. Grant then commented on how the City is purchasing many parcels in the Town. He also commented on how the City will be challenging their assessment in twenty years. Mr. Grant said legalities have already- began between the Town of Olive and the City because the City is trying to reduce their assessment by 2/3. He further explained the suit Olive lost to the City.
Mike Ricciardella asked what improvements needed to be made to the Town Hall and asked if a construction study has been made to figure out the cost. Supervisor Grant doesn't feel there's that much wrong with the one we have. He said it could use a roof and some handicap bathrooms. Councilman Byron commented that the Town Hall is the focal point of every Town. There was further open discussion.
Peggy Gale suggested putting the money in the bank. Supervisor Grant told her it is in the bank, and explained how the Town can draw down on the interest to purchase equipment, etc.
Trudy Stroh, President of the Senior Club, requested a senior facility for the Town, which could also be used by the youth. Supervisor Grant said they could use the Town Hall; with the exception of two nightly meetings a month and the two days it's used by WIC, it's always available. Ire said he still has the letter from the senior citizens, but until anything materializes they can use the Town Hall meeting room.
Glenn Miller suggested converting the meeting room into additional office space and renting space for the monthly meetings. He said buildings such as the school or the Theatrical Society are available.
Paul Cutrone said his concern with the museum is that the Town may build it and the City will back out of supplying the $1 Million. He said it would be similar to what happened with the Interpreter Center, which in now just sitting there empty. Councilman Frano said the money is already there. Mr. Gitter further explained that the only way the City can back out is if there is no building built within five years. There was further open discussion among Supervisor Grant, Mr. Cutrone and Mr. Gitter.
Ward Todd, Majority Leader of the Ulster County Legislature, gave his view of the area. He said the Town is in real need of activities to do and places to stay. Mr. Todd then mentioned the Interpreter site, and commented how the bridge is already there, and how the DEC is embarrassed because there is nothing on the site. lie also commented on the Highmount site, and how it would have a good chance of getting hooked up with the septic system. lie further stated that there is money available.
Supervisor Grant thanked everyone for attending and giving their pros and cons.
With no further business to discuss at this time, Councilman Frano made the motion to adjourn, seconded by Supervisor Grant. All in favor, motion carried.February 11, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Al Frisenda commented on the Pine Hill Water District; he said he still hasn't received the report needed from Burgher & Associates. He said once he gets it, they will be submitting an emergency application. Supervisor Grant asked if it was similar to a hardship grant; Mr. Frisenda said yes. Al also said he had spoken to John Guerin regarding the septic lines from Belleayre; he said Mr. Guerin would like to go up there the 23rd and meet with the DEC. Supervisor Grant said he met with the DEC and the City yesterday regarding the septic lines. The DEC said they had to do some redesigning because no solids will be sent down through the lines; it will only be liquids and the holding tanks will remain at Belleayre. The holding tanks will be pumped out and brought to Pine Hill for processing. Supervisor Grant said the lines are going to be run down 4,000 feet through the woods. Because of this, none of the houses will be connected. It is a distance of 8,500 feet to run the lines down along the road, allowing for resident hook ups, as well as the museum if it ever materialized. Approximate cost for the sewer line is $70 per foot; even if you allow $100 per foot for 8,500 it would cost $850,000. Supposedly, the State is spending $1.5 million on this project, so where is the rest of the money? Even if the museum never developed, by running the line along the road, the residents in Chelsea Park could be connected because there is a manhole there. Al Frisenda said, the engineer said, the cost of $70 per foot includes everything; installation, etc. Mr. Frisenda further explained the costs and process involved. Jay Braman, Jr., member of press, asked who did the design, Supervisor Grant told him Mr. Niles of the DEC. Mr. Grant commented on the procedure and said yesterday they decided to take the grinding process out. Jay asked if the Watershed Corp. was approached regarding this situation, and if so, what is there position. There was discussion to follow, with comments from Councilman Frano and Supervisor Grant and Al Frisenda. Mr. Grant said they had two designs, one where they came down the old Bonnieview property and one where they came down Ulster & Delaware Turnpike, dropping near Chelsea Park. Originally the design included the solids, now, tentatively, it's without the solids and without the grinding process. Supervisor Grant said this will effect the Pine Hill water system because if it breaks the septic lines run parallel to the streams. Even if the museum does get built on Highmount, it won't benefit a soul because the septic lines will be through the woods. If anyone has to replace or repair their septic system themselves, it will be difficult because much of Highmount is made up of bedrock. There were comments from Jay Braman, Jr. and Al Frisenda. Supervisor Grant said he told the DEC and City that the earliest he would be able to get back to them would be a month; at that time the Town is also supposed to have the legal uses of the money, be it for the museum or another project. Jay Braman, Jr. asked if the DEC is definitely running the lines down through the woods. Supervisor Grant responded that they already have it surveyed and marked. Blake Killin, member of press, said at the announcement at Belleayre pertaining to the money being given to the ski center, he asked about the cost to run the sewer lines along the road. Mr. Killin was told by the DEC spokesman that it would cost between two and three times more than running the lines down the access road. Al Frisenda said this is not true; he was told by the engineer, no matter where they put a forced main, the cost per foot is the same. Supervisor Grant again had comments on the terrain of the area. Jay Braman, Jr. asked approximately how many homes could be added to the lines if they were run past the proposed museum site and down along the road. Supervisor Grant said about 20 homes, and if you include Chelsea Park, there are about another 20. Councilman Hoyt asked what was going to happen with the solid sewage if it's not being sent through the lines to the Pine Hill facility. Supervisor Grant said the solids would be in the holding tanks at Belleayre. Al Frisenda further explained the process, he said the solids would be trucked down to the Pine Hill facility. There was further open discussion among Councilman Frano, Councilman Hoyt, Al Frisenda and Supervisor Grant. Mr. Grant strongly feels that if the State can make a sewer line for Belleayre, they should connect the taxpayers to it. Blake Killin said the DEC was invited to tonight's meeting, and he commented how they weren't present."March 11, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Councilman Pettersson mentioned the public hearing that was held last January regarding the "Good Neighbor" funding and possible uses. Councilman Pettersson spoke briefly with Gary Gailes after the public hearing, and has received a letter from him dated March 5th. Councilman Pettersson read the letter; in the letter Mr. Gailes provides various information regarding the proposed pool project. Mr. Gailes also said that the use of a pool located in Highmount has been offered at a fee of $5,000 per season; this pool meets regulations, it has a chain link fence around it, etc. Councilman Pettersson said this doesn't include transportation costs. Jay Braman, Jr. asked what the cost was to attend Minekill. Councilman Pettersson responded that there is no fee for the program to attend Minekill, but the transportation there is roughly $12,000. Supervisor Grant commented that being the facility is located on private property, it would have to be inspected and approved by the Board of Health; the insurance may also be an issue. Supervisor Grant said he thanks Gary Gailes for looking into this, but he feels for this year the program should continue going to Minekill.
"Supervisor Grant then made a motion to continue going to Minekill for this year. All members were in favor; motion carried."May 13, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Supervisor Grant read a letter from Supervisor Alan Rosa as per their telephone conversation regarding the use of the Town of Middletown's "Good Neighbor" money and their position on the proposed Watershed museum. The Town of Middletown will not be able to assist in the construction of a Watershed Museum with their- "Good Neighbor" funds. They have put their money aside to "deal with major environmental issues involving their highway garage." Mr. Rosa said he is in 100% support of the construction and development of a Watershed Museum in the Town of Shandaken. Supervisor Rosa said if anyone would like to meet with him to discuss this further he would be happy to do so. He also said as CWC representative he is committed to assisting the Shandaken Town Board in this project. Supervisor Grant continued reading the letter, which addressed available funding and used for exhibits.
Next Supervisor Grant read a letter received from Town Attorney Paul Keller. In his letter he expressed concern about using the "Good Neighbor" money for constructing the proposed museum. Attorney Keller wrote to the State Comptroller's Office and provided a summary of the project with specifics. He recently contacted the Comptroller's Office because he has yet to receive a response; Mr. Keller was informed that they are behind in getting out their opinions. However, they did express concern as to who was going to be operating the museum. Mr. Keller also spoke with the Senior Attorney for the Association of Towns and they cautioned the Town.
Al Frisenda responded to Attorney Keller's letter. He stated that written opinion from the State Comptroller's Office carries legal precedence in the court of law and they take years to issue them. Mr. Frisenda also spoke with the Attorney for the Association of Town's regarding the title to the property for the proposed museum's site. Al Frisenda then continued by giving some background on how the concept of the museum came about and exactly what it would be. Mr. Frisenda explained the series of meetings with the City back in 1995 regarding the renovations of the Pine Hill sewer facility. He said at that time he made the suggestion that the City put an audio/visual visitors center on the facility's site to educate the public as to why we are going through all of these Watershed regulations. Mr. Frisenda was told there wasn't room to do this on this site, but the idea of providing education was favored. Due to the lack of room, Shandaken was told if we come up with a facility the City would furnish all the exhibits for the museum; $1 million was committed to an education fund for this purpose. In talking with other towns, they didn't want to relinquish control to the Town of Shandaken to have such a facility, but being it was our idea, it has to be located in the Town and the Town has to have site control. Gary Gayles offered 3 acres of his land located in Highmount; this was thought to be a good site and the state estimated 125,000 visitors per year. Mr. Gayles offered to deed the property to the Town. Supervisor Grant had a comment regarding the acreage; Al Frisenda responded. Mr. Frisenda said there may be some reluctance from Board members because per the resolution, the Corridor Committee would be responsible for planning, designing, working with the operators, and matching grants. He said this doesn't present a problem to him if a new committee if appointed that is different from the Rt. 28 Corridor Committee. Mr. Frisenda said he feels this will involve a lot of "leg work" that the Town Board would have to take on if they don't appoint a committee. The Resolution is worded so that whatever committee is appointed, they would report directly to the Town Board on all phases and the committee members would not be authorized to sign any contracts. The committee, with authorization from the Town Board, would go out and do anything that has to be done before any physical work or expenditures could take place. No funds can be expended until the Town has a matching grant and it is accepted by the Town. Mr. Frisenda continued by mentioning a conversation he had with Ward Todd regarding other towns who have showed interest in having a Watershed museum in their Town. Councilman Pettersson had questions regarding the challenge grant; Al Frisenda explained the required process. Councilman Pettersson expressed his feelings; he doesn't think the tourists who visit the historical overview of Catskill Mountains would be the same people who would come to visit a Watershed Museum. Councilman Pettersson also disagreed with the figures presented; Al Frisenda responded with explanation.
Ed Ocker asked Mr. Frisenda where they would like to put the museum; Al told him in Highmount and said it would be a "destination point" because visitors have to travel through the entire town. There were further comments from Mr. Ocker. Following this was a brief discussion of the exhibits for the proposed museum. Councilman Hoyt said she has stopped at the Minekill Museum in Gilboa and was the only visitor in the place.
Mr. Frisenda said before we apply to receive grants, we have to find a professional to operate the museum and build a 5,000 square foot convenial building. Supervisor Grant asked how long Al thought it would be before the first visitor went through the building. There was some discussion, then Councilman Pettersson asked what the urgency was of not being able to wait for the Comptroller's opinion. He said to date he hasn't seen any written documentation on anything Al has proposed. Mr. Frisenda said he would like to contact the Museum of Natural History regarding this project, but his isn't going to contact them until we have a grant. Supervisor Grant and Al Frisenda went into further discussion.
Councilman Pettersson suggested we postpone the resolution on the museum until next month. There was then more discussion among Councilman Pettersson, Al Frisenda and Supervisor Grant.
Resolution #60 offered by Councilman Frano
WHEREAS, the City of New York has provided to the Catskill Watershed Corporation, via the Education Fund of the Watershed Settlement Agreement, the sum of $1,000,000 to be spend for the construction of exhibits in a Watershed museum; and
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors of the Coalition of Watershed Towns, the establishing body of the Catskill Watershed Corporation, has twice unanimously voted that such Watershed museum be located within the Town of Shandaken; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Shandaken has committed to the concept of constructing such a museum within its boundaries, as an educational and cultural benefit for the town and the region, and
WHEREAS, the Town of Shandaken has secured, through the generosity of one of its property owner's, a pledge of three acres of land plus egress and ingress to be acquired without cost and to be held in fee by the Town
BE IT RESOLVED THAT, the Town of Shandaken hereby commits the sum of $250,000 from the Good neighbor fund as a challenge grant for the purpose of partially providing for construction on the donated site located at Highmount, New York at the Middletown boundary, the appropriate building to house the Watershed museum. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT, the Museum Committee shall be charged with the responsibility for securing the necessary matching funds, for overseeing the design and construction of the facility and its exhibits; for arranging for an appropriate entity to operate the museum; and the Museum Committee shall serve as liaison with the Catskill Watershed Museum in matters pertaining to the funds for exhibits.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT, the Museum Committee shall report regularly and in the timely manner to the Town Board and submit all commitments and expenditures to the fiscal control of the Town Board in a manner consistent with all other expenditures of Town taxpayers funds.
FINALLY, BE IT RESOLVED THAT, should the Museum Committee not have secured matching funding for the balance of the construction costs by May 13, 2000, the challenge grant shall be withdrawn and all rights to the offered site shall revert to the donor.
AND MOVES ITS ADOPTION ROLL CALL 4 Ayes 1 Nay (Grant)
Prior to voting some Board members stated their reasons for voting the way they did. Supervisor Grant stated there wasn't enough information. Councilman Byron didn't think the Town could afford not to. Councilman Hoyt stated "it was such as cockamania idea it's going to work." and Councilman Pettersson also voted yes but with reservations. He feels all the money should come from the CWC, nothing is on paper or in writing.June 10, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Watershed Museum Committee - Councilman Frano
"Councilman Frano said the Committee had their first meeting May 20th at the Alpine Deli in Pine Hill. All members were present, with the exception of Erich Griesser. Councilman Frano then reviewed the minutes from the meeting, some of which contained information regarding site work and securing funding. He also commented on the banner that was hung at the site of the future museum, which was noted in the local newspapers. Councilman Frano explained how they broke down the Committee in subcommittees. Councilman Frano is Chairman of Finance, Al Frisenda is Chairman of Construction, and Dean Gitter is Chairman of Design & Development. Mr. Frano commented that everyone on the committee will serve on every sub-committee. Some seed money was needed; Catskill Corners pledged $2,500 to help "get the ball rolling." Supervisor Grant commented that the Town Board had nothing to do with the sub-committees; they were appointed by those on the initial Watershed Museum Committee. Councilman Frano also stated that he and Al Frisenda visited the Catskill Watershed Corporation Office in Margaretville to meet with the Education Committee; they gave them the same run down as he just reviewed and expressed the Town's interest in the $1 million."July 8, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Al Frisenda gave a report on the Museum Committee. They went before the Planning Board last month for the preliminary plot; the final plot will be presented at a Public Hearing on the 29th of July for approval. Test holes are being done on the site, and the Committee is scheduled to go before the CWC at their Board Meeting at the end of July. Mr. Frisenda said after this they be in contact with some other exhibit designers. Councilman Pettersson asked about first securing funds for the building before proceeding with the exhibits. Mr. Frisenda explained that before we can get funding we have to entice an operator, such as the Museum of Natural History, etc., to operate the museum. In order to do this we have to have a basic design proposal to show these people what we plan to put in the museum. Once an operator commits, they will utilize that operator to help acquire funding. The operator also has to be involved with the exhibit designs so we can design a building that will accommodate the exhibits. Councilman Pettersson then asked if the DEP was involved in this process. Mr. Frisenda responded no, but they will be involved later in the process because we will look to them for contributions. There was further discussion between Councilman Pettersson and Mr. Frisenda regarding the funding. Mr. Frisenda said that the CWC is the custodian of the $2 million education fund. Councilman Hoyt asked if there was a plan of operation in existence so the Board will know what is going on; Mr. Frisenda said that it is included in last month's minutes."August 12, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "...Supervisor Grant asked Al Frisenda for an update on the museum. Mr. Frisenda said there was a meeting with the Education Committee last night, and the Committee unanimously voted to put in a resolution to the CWC to commit the $1 million to the museum in the Town of Shandaken. In the resolution they are also going to release $40,000 to get started. Supervisor Grant asked if these two items were being presented the same evening as one incorporated resolution of if there would be two separate resolutions. Mr. Frisenda answered that they would be presented as one; he believes the meeting is going to be held the 25th at 6 PM in the CWC building."August 25, 1998: Catskill Watershed Corporation Board of Directors Meeting
Excerpts from minutes: Neversink Museum. Alan Sorenson presented a proposal for the Neversink Learning Center and Children's Museum.
Watershed Museum in Shandaken. A motion to approve Resolution No. __ made by Ward Todd and seconded by Edward Jennings.
Resolution No.__: Supporting Catskill Regional Watershed Museum in Shandaken
WHEREAS, it is one of the aims of the Catskill Watershed Corp. to promote knowledge and understanding of the human and natural history of the New York City Watershed West of the Hudson River; and
WHEREAS, the New York City Watershed Memorandum of Agreement authorized the expenditure of $2.0 million for a Public Information and Education Program; and
WHEREAS, up to $1.0 million of that amount was authorized to pay the costs of establishing or maintaining exhibits at a regional Catskill museum; and
WHEREAS, the Executive Committee of the Coalition of Watershed Towns unanimously approved locating the museum in the Town of Shandaken based upon its central location in the watershed and its location along Route 28, a primary corridor into the watershed, thereby maximizing the benefit to the watershed communities; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Shandaken has pledged $250,000 toward the construction of a museum on donated land near Route 28 in Highmount; and
WHEREAS, a committee of town residents is seeking matching funds to allow construction of the facility, and has developed preliminary ideas for a museum building and the exhibits it would contain; now,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the CWC Board of Directors, following the recommendation of its Public Education Committee:
1. Supports the concept of a Catskill Regional Watershed Museum in the Town of Shandaken, agrees to set aside the $1.0 million watershed museum fund for that purpose and is willing to provide seed money to the town to develop exhibit proposals upon submission to the CWC of a scope of work and budget for the requested seed money;
2. Prior to any final approval of the $ 1.0 million the CWC will require a business plan and the creation of a not-for-profit corporation to operate the museum which shall have on its Board of Directors a fair representation of interested and knowledgeable persons from throughout the West of Hudson Watershed.
A motion to table the Resolution was made by Georgianna Lepke and seconded by Joseph Hanley.
Roll Call Vote: Aye: James Brown, Thomas Raleigh, Deborah DeWan, Martin Donnelly, James Eisel, Joseph Hanley, Charles LaFever, Georgianna Lepke, Alan Rosa, Perry Shelton, Ira Stern. Nay: Anthony Bucca, Edward Jennings, Ward Todd
Motion carried. CWC resolution earmarking $1 million for Shandaken watershed museum tabled.
Excerpt from President's Report: by Alan Rosa: Watershed Museum: Attached you will find a memo from our attorney, Dan Ruzow, and a letter from former Coalition of Watershed Towns Acting Director Eric Greenfield, citing documentation for the siting of a regional watershed museum in Shandaken. Dan cites a section of the Coalition’s “Counterproposal” dated March 9, 1995 during negotiations with the city in which it was stated that $1 million be allocated for watershed exhibits at the Catskill Interpretive Center, which was then being planned by New York State for a site in Mount Tremper, Town of Shandaken. Funds for the interpretive center were never appropriated by the state, but Dan recalls that the “underlying assumption throughout the full course of negotiations with the city was that $1 million was earmarked for exhibits at a Catskill Watershed Museum to be located in the Town of Shandaken.” The CWC Public Information and Education Committee voted August 11 to recommend that the full board make $40,000 of the museum funds available for the design of exhibits at a Shandaken Museum, and that a not-for-profit corporation be formed to develop the facility, with a fair representation on that board from throughout the watershed. That recommendation is on the board’s agenda August 25.August 25, 1998: Fracas follows museum meeting (Times Herald-Record, 8/27/98)
Excerpt from article: "MARGARETVILLE – The dispute over who gets $1 million in New York City money for a proposed watershed museum turned into a street confrontation between representatives of the two towns involved.
"Alan Sorensen, Sullivan County Commissioner of Planning and Community Development, filed a harassment charge against developer Dean Gitter following the Tuesday night incident. Gitter represents the Town of Shandaken." Full Text of ArticleSeptember 9, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Al Frisenda gave an updated report on the Watershed Museum. He said the members of the Museum Committee presented the Education Committee, per their request, with a preliminary budget for the preliminary designs of the exhibits. On the 22nd of this month, the CWC will vote on the $1 million for the museum exhibits."September 22, 1998: CWC Board of Directors Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Supporting Catskill Regional Watershed Museum in Shandaken A motion to approve Resolution No. 185 as amended made by Ward Todd and seconded by Ed Jennings.
Resolution No. 185: Supporting Catskill Regional Watershed Museum in Shandaken
Whereas, it is one of the aims of the Catskill Watershed Corp. to promote knowledge and understanding of the human and natural history of the New York City Watershed West of the Hudson River; and
WHEREAS, the New York City Watershed Memorandum of Agreement authorized the expenditure of $2.0 million for a Public Information and Education Program; and
WHEREAS, up to $1.0 million of that amount was authorized to pay the costs of establishing or maintaining exhibits at a regional Catskill museum (“Public Education Exhibit Funds”); and
WHEREAS, the Executive Committee of the Coalition of Watershed Towns unanimously approved locating the museum in the Town of Shandaken based upon its central location in the watershed and its location along Route 28, a primary corridor into the watershed, thereby maximizing the benefit to the watershed communities; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Shandaken has pledged $250,000 toward the construction of a museum on donated land near Route 28 in Highmount,
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the CWC Board of Directors, following the recommendation of its Public Education Committee:
1. Supports the concept of a Catskill Regional Watershed Museum in the Town of Shandaken, agrees to set aside the $1.0 million Public Education Exhibit Funds for exhibits to be housed at such museum.
2. Prior to any approval of funds for exhibit construction the CWC will require a business plan and the creation of a not-for-profit corporation to operate the museum which shall have on its Board of Directors a fair representation of interested and knowledgeable persons from throughout the West of Hudson Watershed.
3. Board of Directors directs CWC staff and the Public Information/Education Committee to draft museum program rules, to be presented to the CWC Board for approval, which include procedures to insure fair representation on the Board of Directors of the not-for-profit operator of the museum, restricts use of exhibits to museum(s) that fairly represent the entire West of Hudson Watershed and outlines that CWC will retain ownership of the exhibits paid for by CWC Public Education Exhibit Funds.
Georgianna Lepke excused and Ira Stern abstained. Voice vote, carried unanimously.
A motion to waive Rule 14 made by Georgie Lepke and seconded by Joseph Hanley. Voice vote, carried unanimously.October 27, 1998: CWC Board of Directors Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "A motion to approve Resolution No. 199 as amended made by Deborah DeWan and seconded by Joseph Hanley.
Resolution No. 199: Approval of Catskill Watershed Museum Program Rules
WHEREAS, pursuant to the MOA and the Public Education Program Contract with NYCDEP, the CWC shall act as program manager for the Public Education Program and implement the Public Education Program consistent with the terms of said contract; and
WHEREAS, pursuant to the MOA and Program Contract CWC will provide up to $ 1 million for the establishment and maintenance of exhibits at a regional watershed museum; and
WHEREAS, the CWC Public Education Committee has reviewed and recommends the attached Catskill Regional Watershed Museum program rules.
NOW,THEREFORE LET IT BE RESOLVED, that the Corporation hereby adopts the attached Catskill Regional Watershed Museum Program Rules.
NOW, THEREFORE LET IT BE FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Executive Director is hereby authorized, to make Program amendments to Article 4 of the CWC General Program rules, any such amendments shall be reported to the Full Board at the next regularly scheduled Board Meeting after said amendments have been made;
NOW THEREFORE LET IT BE FURTHER RESOLVED, that the terms of this resolution and the CWC General program Rules may be amended at any time by the Board of Directors of the CWC.
Voice vote, carried unanimously
A motion to discuss Resolution No. 200 made by Deborah DeWan and seconded by Edward Jennings. A motion to amend Resolution No. 200 made by Deborah DeWan and seconded by Joseph Hanley. A motion to approve Resolution No. 200 as amended made by Deborah DeWan and seconded by Joseph Hanley.
Resolution No. 200: Approval of Catskill Regional Watershed Exhibit Design Funding
WHEREAS, it is one of the aims of the Catskill Watershed Corp. to promote knowledge and understanding of the human and natural history of the New York City Watershed West of the Hudson River; and
WHEREAS, the New York City Watershed Memorandum of Agreement authorized the expenditure of $2.0 million for a Public Information and Education Program; and
WHEREAS, up to $1.0 million of that amount was authorized to pay the costs of establishing or maintaining exhibits at a regional Catskill museum; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Shandaken has pledged $250,000 toward the construction of a museum on donated land near Route 28 in Highmount; and
WHEREAS, a committee of the town is seeking matching funds to allow construction of the facility, and has developed preliminary ideas for a museum building and the exhibits it would contain;
WHEREAS, there were concerns expressed by various Board members that a scope of work and budget be submitted by the Town prior to Board approval of the advancement of exhibit design funds; and
WHEREAS, there was concern expressed by the City representative on the Board of Directors that CWC establish procedures to review proposed exhibits.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the CWC Board of Directors authorizes the President and/or the Executive Director to execute a contract between the CWC and the Town of Shandaken, a municipal entity, which authorizes the advance of up to $ 40,000 to the town of Shandaken for developing exhibit designs for the Catskill Regional Watershed Museum consistent with the procedures delineated in the Catskill Regional Watershed Museum Program Rules, and based upon the submission of the scope of work and budget attached hereto.
NOW, THEREFORE LET IT BE FURTHER RESOLVED, that the CWC staff shall develop a final scope of services incorporating comments #1 and #2 from the PEAG memo dated October 27, 1998, and requiring the solicitation of comments from watershed residents on potential museum exhibit topics.
Voice vote, carried unanimously.November 5, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Museum Update - Councilman Frano & Al Frisenda
"Councilman Frano said the Museum Committee had a meeting last night. The $40,000 was finally approved for design work, etc. Last night they reviewed documents received from various involved agencies, and discussed directions that committee needs to take. Al Frisenda said the idea was brought up that the museum should be a non-profit corporation. He said everyone was also concerned about having an outreach program. Individuals in the organization are worried over what should be in the museum, and the City is worried that they're not going to be represented fairly through the exhibits. Councilman Frano commented that the City doesn't want to be represented negatively; they want everything positive. There was a question regarding the CWC; there was concern that there wouldn't be as many representatives for Shandaken, as there are representing Delaware County. Councilman Frano said it will be a cross section of the population."November, 1998: "Tourism Development Plan for the Central Catskills" Released
Prepared by the Central Catskills Planning Alliance. Listed Board of Directors for the CCPA are Erich Greisser (President), Jennifer Gould (Secretary), Beth Waterman (Treasurer), Sindy Becker, Al Frisenda, Geddy Sveikauskas and Dave Barnet (NYC-DEP, ex-officio). Listed consultants for the report are Shuster Associates, Inc. (Planning and Design), The Office of Thomas J. Martin (Market Analysis), The LA Group (G.I.S. Mapping) and HMA Associates (Development Financing)December 9, 1998: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from minutes (committee reports):
"Museum Update - Councilman Frano/Al Frisenda
Councilman Frano said the Museum Committee is requesting input from schools around the Watershed area. Mr. Frisenda said that about a month ago letters were sent out to the editors, school districts, town supervisors and mayors, asking for ideas for exhibits for the museum. Last Friday there was a very productive meeting with New York City. Al said they were able to extinguish the City's anxiety over how they would be portrayed. Mr. Frisenda also said that they were making progress on additional funding for the building; they have secured and reserved all the money for exhibits.
"Mr. Frisenda said the Central Catskill's Planning Alliance just got a completed study for the tourism development for the Rt. 28 Corridor. Mr. Frisenda further explained the contents of the report; he said it will be made available to the towns and libraries. There was then discussion among Supervisor Grant, Councilman Hoyt and Al. Frisenda regarding past and present grants, and the costs involved. Councilman Byron asked what the next step was; Mr. Frisenda explained."January 23, 1999: CWC Board of Directors Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: Public Education: Watershed Museum. A motion to approve Resolution No. 405 was made by Ward Todd and seconded by Michael Flaherty.
Resolution No. 405: Catskill Regional Watershed Museum
WHEREAS, it is one of the aims of the Catskill Watershed Corp. to promote knowledge and understanding of the human and natural history of the New York City Watershed West of the Hudson River; and
WHEREAS, the New York City Watershed Memorandum of Agreement authorized the expenditure of $2.0 million for a Public Information and Education Program; and
WHEREAS, up to $1.0 million of that amount was authorized to pay the costs of establishing or maintaining exhibits at a regional Catskill Watershed Museum; and
WHEREAS, the CWC developed the Public Education Program Rules outlining procedures for the review of exhibits and funding of the exhibits; and
WHEREAS, pursuant to these rules, the Applicant prior to receiving final commitment by the Board of funds for exhibits, had to satisfy the following requirements:
a.) The applicant must be a not-for-profit corporation which will own and operate the Museum and whose Board of Directors includes a cross section of the West of Hudson watershed communities. The Museum Board of Directors shall include at least one member appointed by the Board of Directors of the CWC.
b.) The applicant must present a business plan demonstrating the ability to raise funds sufficient to build the museum as well as assurances for its continued operation.
c.) Present a design for the museum building and grounds for Board review.
d.) Complete the exhibit review process of section 4:01:06 of these rules; and
WHEREAS, the Program Rules further outline that if an applicant from the Town of Shandaken fails to meet the above requirements by January 1, 2001 to the extent that, in the opinion of the Board, there are inadequate assurances that a commitment of exhibit funds can be made by January 21, 2002, the Board may solicit proposals from applicants in other towns in the West of Hudson Watershed for a Museum to be developed consistent with these rules; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Shandaken Museum Committee has made significant progress with regard to the above requirements as follows: The New York State Board of Regents has granted a provisional (five year) charter to the Catskill Watershed Partnership Museum. Not-for-profit IRS 501(c)(3) status is pending approval. The Museum has initial incorporators but is in the process of seeking Board of Trustee members from the West of Hudson watershed communities. The CWC Education Committee has recommended the CWC representative, pending full Board approval. CWC has received the initial Catskill Watershed Museum Business Plan. The CWC Board has received and reviewed a preliminary design for the museum building and grounds and exhibits.
WHEREAS, the CWC Education Committee commends the Town of Shandaken for the significant progress made to date; and
WHEREAS, the CWC Education Committee has requested that the Town of Shandaken Museum Committee submit the following materials to the Education Committee by the April 10, 2001 meeting: fundraising plan for capital funds, a workplan for calendar year 2001 and monthly written progress reports; and
WHEREAS, the Education Committee recommends that Ward Todd be the CWC representative on the Museum Board of Trustees; and
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the CWC Board of Directors appoints Ward Todd as the CWC representative to the Board of Trustees of the Catskill Regional Watershed Museum.
NOW, THEREFORE LET IT BE FURTHER RESOLVED, the CWC Board of Directors supports the concept of a Catskill Regional Watershed Museum in the Town of Shandaken and supports the progress made to date on same.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, the CWC Board of Directors supports the Education Committee's request for additional information and monthly reporting.
Ira Stern commented that, since it is a requirement for the Town of Shandaken Museum Commitee to submit certain materials to the Education Committee by April 10, 2001, he feels it would be beneficial if the staff would advise the Museum Committee of the format in which it should be presented. Perry stated that Ward Todd will advise the Town of the level of detail that the Board expects.
Voice Vote, carried unanimouslySeptember 28, 1999: CWC Board of Directors Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: Support for Museum Conceptual Design. A motion to approve Resolution No. 297 was made by Jim Eisel and seconded by Edward Jennings.
Resolution No. 297: Support of Museum Conceptual Exhibit Design
WHEREAS, it is one of the aims of the Catskill Watershed Corporation to promote knowledge and understanding of the human and natural history of the New York City Watershed West of the Hudson River; and
WHEREAS, the New York City Watershed Memorandum of Agreement authorized the expenditure of $2 million for a Public Information and Education Program; and
WHEREAS, at least $1 million of that amount was authorized to pay the costs of establishing and maintaining exhibits at a Catskill Regional Watershed Museum; and
WHEREAS, the CWC executed a contract with the Town of Shandaken to fund exhibit design in an amount not to exceed $40,000; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Shandaken engaged OK-Entertainment Services to produce an exhibit design for a museum in the township; and
WHEREAS, pursuant to the CWC Museum Rules, as adopted by the CWC Board of Directors, a subcommittee of the Public Education Advisory Group (PEAG) - the PEAG Museum Committee - was established to review the plan for museum exhibits and to forward its comments and recommendations to the CWC Board of Directors; and
WHEREAS, said PEAG Museum Committee reviewed and submitted comments on the Concept Book prepared by OK-Entertainment Services; and
WHEREAS, the CWC Public Information and Education Committee has met with the PEAG Museum Committee and the Shandaken Museum Committee to discuss both the exhibit design and comments, and
WHEREAS, the Public Information and Education Committee approves the conceptual design plan and recommends that the museum project proceed with meeting the conditions established in the Catskill Regional Watershed Museum Program rules prior to receipt of any additional exhibit funding.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the CWC Board of Directors endorses the conceptual exhibit design plan and strongly supports the Town of Shandaken Regional Watershed Museum project and conditions any additional exhibit design funding on meeting the requirements outlined in the Catskill Regional Watershed Museum Program rules.
Voice Vote, carried unanimouslyOctober 16, 1999: Panel aims to raise $250,000 to build museum
"Planners for a proposed Catskill Watershed Partnership Museum are looking to raise $250,000 to build a museum near the Belleayre Mountain Ski Center.
The Catskill Watershed Museum Committee got approval recently to spend $250,000 for exhibits. Now it just needs to raise the capital to build the 5,000-square-foot museum." Full Text of ArticleJanuary 15, 2001: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from Daily Freeman article: "...Pine Hill resident Matt Persons told the board that a new museum, especially one that pays homage to New York City, is not something the town needs, and that the project does not justify any town expenditure. He noted that Shandaken already has two museums - one run by the town - and that the town can barely keep up with the maintenance of the building on Academy Street in Pine Hill." Full Text of ArticleMarch 12, 2001: Shandaken Town Board Meeting
Excerpt from Daily Freeman article: "Committee member Gary Gailes, who donated five acres of land to the town for the museum, told Town Board members last week that a non-profit entity is being established to guide the development of the museum...Named chairman of the organization is Keith Porter, who Gailes said is from Cornell University. Gailes himself will serve as president; Shandaken Town Attorney Wayne Graff as vice president; Tannersville lawyer Anthony Bucca as treasurer and Sally Fairbairn as secretary. The remaining board members are Shandaken Councilman Dennis Frano, town residents Erich Griesser and Glenn Miller; Catskill Watershed Corp. Vice President and Ulster County Legislature Chairman Ward Todd; Attorney Michael Graff; and Vincent Giacci and Joseph Horowitz." Full Text of ArticleApril 28, 2001: CWC Board of Directors Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Special Projects presentation by Staff Attorney, Danielle Cordier:...The Watershed Museum received their New York State Regents Museum Charter at the end of December, 2000. In January, 2001, they appointed a board of trustees, including people with financial background, an architect and individuals with education and museum background. They have received verbal acceptance of their 501C3 status and are having a Board meeting on Monday, so I hope to hear that things are moving forward. We will receive a report on their progress at the next Public Education meeting."May 22, 2001: CWC Board of Directors Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Public Education- Museum Exhibit Design A motion to approve Resolution No. 427 was made by Ward Todd and seconded by Paul Dibbell.
Resolution No. 427: Catskill Regional Watershed Museum Exhibit Design
WHEREAS, it is one of the aims of the Catskill Watershed Corp. to promote knowledge and understanding of the human and natural history of the New York City Watershed West of the Hudson River; and
WHEREAS, the New York City Watershed Memorandum of Agreement authorized the expenditure of $2.0 million for a Public Education Program; and
WHEREAS, up to $1.0 million of that amount was authorized to pay the costs of establishing or maintaining exhibits at a regional Catskill Watershed Museum; and
WHEREAS, the CWC developed the Public Education Program Rules outlining procedures for the review of proposed exhibits and funding of exhibits at such a regional museum; and
WHEREAS, pursuant to these rules, the Applicant prior to receiving final commitment by the Board of funds for exhibits, has to satisfy several requirements; and WHEREAS, the Catskill Watershed Partnership Museum has made significant progress with regard to the those requirements as follows: The New York State Board of Regents has granted a provisional (five year) charter to the Catskill Watershed Partnership Museum. They have been approved for Not-for-profit IRS 501(c)(3). The Museum has a Board of Trustees comprised of members from the West of Hudson watershed communities including a CWC representative. CWC has received the initial Catskill Watershed Museum Operating Budget and Business Plan, a preliminary design for the museum building and grounds, and a conceptual exhibit design. The Museum Board submitted to the Education Committee a fundraising and building schedule and a workplan for calendar year 2001 and monthly progress reports; and WHEREAS, pursuant to the MOA the CWC Board must commit the museum funds by January 21, 2002; and
WHEREAS, the Museum Board needs to proceed with building and exhibit design concurrently in order to meet the CWC commitment date; and
WHEREAS, the Museum Board at the May Education Committee meeting requested additional funding for further exhibit design including: preparation of plans, elevations, renderings, and or models in an amount not to exceed $40,000; and
WHEREAS, pursuant to Resolution No. 200 the CWC Board authorized up to $40,000 for exhibit conceptual design; and
WHEREAS, the CWC Education Committee recommends that the Board authorize additional funding for further exhibit design including: preparation of plans, elevations, renderings, and or models in an amount not to exceed $40,000; and
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the CWC Board of Directors authorizes the President and/or Executive Director to execute a contract with the Catskill Watershed Partnership Museum in an amount not to exceed $40,000 for such further exhibit design.
Perry Shelton pointed out that we have some representatives in our audience and asked if they would say a few words of their progress. Ward Todd introduced Gary Gayles and Joseph Hurwitz. Joseph Hurwitz stated that in order to move this project along they must provide some visual material to define the scope of the project and to determine how much is it going to cost. Models and site plans are needed to show the funding agencies that a commitment has been made by our organizations. Gary Gayles praised Joseph Hurwitz's abilities and talent. Perry Shelton stated that his confidence in this project has been reaffirmed by their presentation at the Public Education Committee meeting. James Eisel asked if a site had been selected. Gary Gayles stated that a 3 acre plot has be donated to the Town of Shandaken by himself, solely for the purpose of this project and it lies on the Ulster/Delaware County line.July 5, 2001: Agency's grant gives watershed museum boost (Daily Freeman)
Excerpt from article: HIGHMOUNT - Organizers of the proposed Catskill Watershed Partnership Museum have just been given the resources to prepare a key component of the project.
Thanks to a $15,000 grant from the Catskill Watershed Corp., an architect has been hired to create a building design and schematic site plan for the museum, slated to be constructed in this Shandaken hamlet near the Belleayre Mountain Ski Center. Full Text of ArticleNovember 28, 2001: Tax levy up 2% in Shandaken (Daily Freeman)
Excerpt from article: ...members of the new administration have made it clear that they intend to investigate the possibility of allocating money for a revolving loan/grant fund rather than to the museum project.
It is unclear what effect the move would have on the million-dollar museum project, which received strong support initially but whose popularity has declined lately, given the extent of new development proposed in the surrounding area. Full Text of ArticleDecember 18, 2001: CWC Board of Directors Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Presentation of Museum Exhibits. Gary Gailes thanked the Board for their cooperation and support on behalf of the full board of the Watershed Museum, and introduced Joseph Hurwitz and Leonard Levitan. Mr. Gailes also stated their mission statement, which is a quote from Diane Galusha's book "Liquid Assets." Architect, Joseph Hurwitz, presented the model of the building and Leonard Levitan explained the design of the exhibits. Edward Jennings asked about the terrain of the land with regard to the model of the building. Gary Manning stated that originally when the Musuem was discussed, he wondered if we would be able to do this project justice, now, after seeing this presentation, he believes that we have more then done this project justice. He asked how many square feet in the building? Joseph Hurwitz stated approximately 10,500 sq ft, the alternate building proposal would make it 12,000 sq ft. Gary Manning asked for the price per sq. ft., Leonard Levitan stated that museums run between $200/sq ft to $550/sq ft for the exhibits alone. Perry Shelton stated that we all knew what we wanted to say, but we had no idea how we would say it, and this presentation did an excellent job of telling our story. Joseph Hanley stated that the $1,000,000 that CWC is contributing is for the exhibits. He asked who is paying for the land and the construction of the building? Ward Todd stated that Gary Gailes has donated the land. Gary Gailes stated that he donated the land to the Town of Shandaken for the sole purpose of the Museum. Joseph Hurwitz stated that the consruction of the building would be between $3,000,000 to $3,500,000 with landscaping. Joseph Hanley stated that he did not like what he saw when he first came in, but now he is really impressed. Sandra Allen stated that the Forest preserve should be mentioned and she could provide information for that. She also asked if the Delaware System was included in the Catskill System. She then asked Ward Todd what the next step would be. Danielle Cordier told her that Diane Galusha will distribute this presentation to the PEAG members. Diane said that PEAG will meet on 1/2/02 and Public Education Committee will meet on 1/8/02 who will determine the resolution which will go before the Board on 1/22/02." Daily Freeman article (12/12)
Daily Freeman article (12/20)December 30, 2001: Board, town spar over watershed museum site (Daily Freeman)
Excerpt from article: "The proposed Catskill Watershed Museum will be located atop Highmount whether the town of Shandaken likes it or not, according to supporters of the multimillion-dollar project, even if it the town threatens to withdraw previously allocated funding to help build it." Full Text of ArticleJanuary 22, 2002: CWC Board of Directors Meeting
Excerpt from minutes: "Public Education - Museum Extension A motion to approve Resolution No. 480 was made by Ward Todd and seconded by Martin Donnelly. A motion to approve Resolution No. 480 as amended was made by Ward Todd and seconded by Martin Donnelly.
Resolution No. 480: Extension of Time to Commit Funds for The Catskill Regional Watershed Museum
WHEREAS, the New York City Watershed Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) Paragraph 131 provides for the expenditure of $2.0 million for a Public Education Program in West of Hudson on the nature and importance of the New York City (the “City”) water supply and the critical role of Watershed residents as stewards of water quality; and
WHEREAS, pursuant to MOA Paragraph 131(a), up to $1.0 million of that amount may be used to pay the costs of establishing and maintaining exhibits on the City water supply and the New York City watershed at a regional Catskill Watershed Museum (the “Museum Funds”) within five (5) years of the effective date of the MOA (January 21, 1997); and
WHEREAS, the City entered into a contract with the CWC to manage, administer and disburse the Public Education Funds which provides that any Public Education Funds used to pay the costs of such exhibits shall be committed by January 21, 2002 and spent by January 21, 2003 [City-CWC Public Education Contract Article 2.04(B) (the “Contract”)]; and
WHEREAS, the CWC established Public Education Program Rules which outlined procedures for reviewing proposed exhibits and selecting certain exhibits for funding at a regional Catskill Watershed Museum [Public Education Program Rules, Article 4, Chapter 4:01, Catskill Regional Watershed Museum (the “Rules”)]; and
WHEREAS, pursuant to the Rules, an applicant for the Museum Funds must satisfy the requirements set forth therein in order to receive a commitment of the Museum Funds for exhibits from the CWC; and
WHEREAS, the CWC Public Education Committee has determined that the Watershed Partnership Museum (“Museum”), an applicant for Museum Funds, has made significant progress in designing a museum building and museum exhibits and has satisfied a portion of the Rules necessary for funding approval; and
WHEREAS, the CWC Public Education Committee recommends that the dates contained in the Contract for the commitment and expenditure of funds should be extended for a reasonable amount of time as determined jointly by the CWC and the City, in consultation with the Museum. The Contract extension shall be expressly conditioned upon the strict adherence by the Museum to a schedule of deliverables. This schedule shall be determined by the City and the CWC, in consultation with the Museum, and approval of those deliverables shall be determined by the Department of Environmental Protection on behalf of the City and the CWC Public Education Committee on behalf of the CWC; and
WHEREAS, the City and the Coalition of Watershed Towns have indicated their support for an extension of the Contract dates so that the development of a regional Catskill Watershed Museum may proceed;
THEREFORE, BE IT NOW RESOLVED, that the Executive Director is hereby authorized by the CWC Board of Directors to execute an agreement to extend the Contract dates for the commitment and expenditure of Museum Funds for a reasonable amount of time as determined jointly by the CWC and the City in consultation with the Museum. The Contract extension shall be expressly conditioned upon the strict adherence by the Museum to a schedule of deliverables. This schedule shall be determined by the City and the CWC, in consultation with the Museum, and approval of those deliverables shall be determined by the Department of Environmental Protection on behalf of the City and the CWC Public Education Committee on behalf of the CWC.
Danielle C. Cordier discussed the amendments that were made pursuant to a request by the City. Ward Todd clarified that there is no financial impact contained within this resolution. He further stated that the Public Education Committee has listened to an excellent presentation by the Museum Board who turned the concept of the museum into a potential magnet that is sure to have a tremendous financial impact on the whole region. Georgianna Lepke read a letter written by herself to Alan L. Rosa, please see Exhibit A. Danielle C. Cordier responded to the letter with her interpretation of the MOA as stating that if the funds were not expended within the five years, they may be expended in a manner consistent with the MOA. A contract between the DEP and the CWC attached to the MOA outlines the timeframes that we are now extending. The MOA supersedes any inconsistent provisions in the attached contract. However, lacking any clear conflicting language between the two documents, the DEP and CWC, the parties to the contract, were free to amend that agreement as outlined in the contract.
Voice Vote, carried. Georgianna Lepke voting nay.
A motion to enter into Executive Session was made by Joseph Hanley and seconded by James Eisel. Daily Freeman articleFebruary 10, 2002: Opponents dunk watershed museum plan (Daily Freeman)
Excerpt from article: "The team pitching a watershed museum for the Highmount section of Shandaken navigated some rough currents during a meeting of the Shandaken Town Board on Saturday as residents reacted to the $4.5 million plan with caution and concern." Full Text of ArticleMarch 20, 2002: Golf resort opponents focus on museum link (Daily Freeman)
Excerpt from article: "The Catskill Heritage Alliance says the multimillion-dollar watershed museum proposed near the resort site should have been included in the draft environmental review of the golf project, and wants the resort project leaders to go back to drawing board. Leaving the museum out of the review, the resort opponents say, renders its conclusions seriously flawed." Full Text of Article
April 24, 2002: Merchants worry about losing watershed museum (Daily Freeman)
Excerpt from article: "Hey! What about Mount Tremper? That's the position taken this week by the Phoenicia Business Association in reaction to plans to relocate a proposed watershed museum from Highmount to Arkville...Shandaken Supervisor Peter DiModica...thinks the $1 million dollars earmarked by the Catskill Watershed Corp. for museum exhibits was earmarked specifically for Shandaken. To move the project out of town may jeopardize that funding, he said." Full Text of Article